Web site for descendants of:

CHRISTIAN (KINSEY) KUNTZI
b. abt 1700 Belten Switzerland:  d. Nov 1774 Berks Co., PA
M.  SARAH _______ b. abt 1705 Switzerland

Pictures
E-mail addresses
Maps
Descendant charts/
KinseyByDon.zip - "NEW"  my Kinsey from all sources (file size=196K) 
This combines most of the below files (and others) into one.     John W Kinsey.rtf   fm Diane Hanlin (file size = 225K)
 John W Kinsey.ged   fm Diane Hanlin (file size = 540K)
 Henry A Kinsey.doc   fm Paul Kinsey (file size = 167K)
 Spreadsheet of Researchers    fm Paul Kinsey (file size = 25K)
 Henry and Eva Wampler.ged    fm Bob Sharp via Bob Kinsey (file size = 41K)
 Wampler/Wampfler Database (for Henry and Eve's kids
 Jacob Kinsey CS.htm    fm Paul Kinsey (file size = 174K)
 The Kinsey Family Line.htm    fm Bob Sharp (file size = 59K)
Kinsey1.ged  fm  Jim Hammer (file size=173K)
Jim Hoke's GED file  (file size=42K)

Kinsey web sites 
      My home page for all my family info....http://www.djsmith.us/index.htm     Don Smith    don @ djsmith.us  (remove spaces around @ sign)
My old e-mail address was donozq-at-attbi.com  and donsm52-at-comcast.net

Some web pages are old and no longer online at the address shown.    http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dana Dana Kutej

http://www.ncn.net/~hammer/   Jim Hammer   hammer@ncn.net

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/g/Andrea-K-Haga/index.html?Welcome=985379950
   Andrea Haga akhaga@swbell.net


Other web sites of interest to researchers:  Historical Maps of the United States http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/histus.html
Arkansas Census Maps 1840-1920 http://www.segenealogy.com/sgo03_ar.htm
1885 Tour of the National Military Home in Dayton, Ohio http://www.dayton.med.va.gov/museum/index.html
Kinsey forum http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/kinsey/
Kinsey/Kinzie Newsletter http://ww1.comteck.com/~dkinzie/"

Notes from fellow researchers:From: "Steve Kinsey" <kindog@toltbbs.com>
To: <DONSM52@comcast.net>
Subject: FAMILY RESEARCH
Date: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:09 AM

Hi Don, Steve Kinsey here. I am writing from Toledo, Ohio. Hope you can help me a little. Doing some Kinsey family research and
I hit a stone wall in Pa., and came across your Jacob E. Kinsey in Bucyrus, Ohio: born in Lancaster County, Pa. in 1805. This is the link that listed his bio in Bucyrus,Ohio....
http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Crawford/CuBu2.htm

My gr-gr-gr-grandpa Joseph Kinsey was from Pa, and his son Joseph J. likewise. After that they moved to Ohio.
The first Joseph was born in Pa. in 1800. Not sure where though.
Joseph J. was born c. 1824, and died in Ohio in 1869. We have not been able to locate any type of death notice other than a listing in the 1870 mortality schedule. His place of birth was listed as Lancaster, in Lancaster County, Pa.
However, on one of the census indexes we found, it was listed as the town of Rapho, in Lancaster County, Pa. So, we're not certain.
We are assuming that the senior Joseph was from the same area.
My question is whether or not you have found any of the siblings of your Jacob? Daniel and Maria were the parents of twelve children, and it is possible that your Jacob and my Joseph Sr. were brothers.
The only flaw to this theory is that there are no other Josephs listed in your Gedcom for the Kinsey family. May or may not be an issue.
Anyway, is there any information that you can provide to prove or disprove this theory? Or any links to follow up on this?
All help will be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Steve

15 Aug 2002 Marjorie, if you want more about the Kinzey's let me know and I would be
glad to share. Just let me know what you would like.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marjorie Eddinger" <MEddinger@cms.hhs.gov>
To: <paul@hargray.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Roy Dewalt and Amos Frank Kinzey


The informant on the death certificate was Jennie Kinzey.  She is probably
wrong.  She was at least 80+ and third wife.  If her info were to be correct
it would place old Roy at at least 80 when Roy Dewalt was born.  Possible I
guess but not probably.  I suspect it is an error on the death certificate.

I don't know any of the Kinzeys.  My father, Clarence Perry Kinzey, drowned
about 49 years ago.  He had a brother Charles but I don't know his
whereabouts.  He had a sister Dorothy Mae but I don't know her married name.

I didn't mean to shake anything up here.  I am pretty sure the death cert is
in error but I just wanted to check with others.
9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Roy Dewalt and Amos Frank Kinzey
From: Paul Kinsey
To: donsm52 ;
Cc: meddinger@cms.hhs.gov
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Roy Dewalt and Amos Frank Kinzey
 
Don, I was in correspondence with Glen Franklin Kinzey back in 1999 and he provided me with his research of the Kinzey line back to Dewalt and Sarah Wertz. Meddinger must be Glen's first cousin since Roy Dewalt was his grandfather also, many be different wives. My first reaction to the death certificate is who supplied the information? They may not know who Roy Dewalt's father was and put down Roy.
I haven't been able to find Glen now and didn't get a return from an email to his daughter a couple years ago.
I would be very interested in filling in some later lines, Glen sent me 27 pages of the descendants of Jacob Kinsey and Elizabeth Reasor.
Paul Kinsey
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Roy Dewalt and Amos Frank Kinzey
8-9-02
I have been working on Kinzey.  Roy Dewalt Kinzey was my grandfather.  I just received his death certificate and it state his father was Roy Kinzey.  Where did Amos Frank come from.  Also, Roy Dewalt's wife at his death was "Jennie" which would make her #3 instead of #1 wife.
 
This is an important part for me to clarify because it might mean that Amos Frank and Icy were not in my direct line.
 
You can email me at meddinger@cms.hhs.gov if you want or have any more clues.  Also I show Roy Dewalt born in KS, married in OK to Viola Catherine Brollier and died in OR.  I am showing Dewalt Kinzey born in PA , and married to Sarah Wertz.
7-25-02
HI DON,
   MY NAME IS BOB KINSEY AND I AM ON THE CHRISTIN KÜNTZY
RESEARCHERS MAILING LIST.THE ABOVE OTEY KINSEY[1810-1872]
IS MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO OWNED LAND IN FRANKLIN
COUNTY,THEN IN FLOYD COUNTY,VIRGINIA. THEN IN MONTGOMERY
COUNTY,VIRGINIA. I AM TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON
HIM;BUT,IT SURE IS SCARCE.
   I HAVE LOCATED THE AREA WHERE HE OWNED HIS LAND;BUT,THEY
HAVE NOTHING ON HIM AT THE FRANKLIN COUNTY HISTORICAL
SOCIETY,MONTGOMERY COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY,AND NO BURIAL
RECORDS ANYWHERE.
   I THOUGHT I WOULD WRITE YOU AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY
INFORMATION ON OTEY KINSEY?
   MY LINEAGE IS CHRISTIAN KÜNTZY[1693-774],JOHANNES,
JOHANNES,JACOB KÜNTZY[1780-1854],OTEY F,JACOB OTEY,WILLIAM
MARSHALL,ALFRED G.,AND ME-BOB KINSEY.
   ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED,AND UNTIL NEXT TIME,TAKE
CARE.  

=====
Bob Kinsey   <rakkinsey@yahoo.com>

6/6/02
Don, one my cousins, that have list on your web site passed away on April 28, 2002.You have her posted at
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=don46&id=I9027
 
Byron
 
to our immediate knowledge there will be a memorial service sometime in the future at Timbercrest.  
Olive, Miriam's daughter cannot leave Germany for several months so those plans are up in the air!
go ahead and post the msg on the web sites.  Miriam was born in Miami county as you know!  
She was extremely weak and you could hardly hear her voice the last couple of weeks.      Curt
 
Byron wrote:
 
 I am sorry to hear that Miriam has passed away.  What are the arrangements?

 Also, if you don't mind, I am going to post your message on both the Oyler
 web site and the Miami County, Ind sites.

 Byron

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Curt Gamble [mailto:w0alc@mindspring.com]
 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:25 AM
 To: Byron Atkinson; Dave & Beth Albers; Jerry & Signe Aufdencamp; Joe &
 Ginny Hall; Joyce Willson; Kathern Swain; Nancy & Jim Popp; Patrick Demuth;
 Randy Nichols; Ron & Sandy Cohen; Ron & Suzanne King; Sherry Hunsberger;
 Therese Kohler; Towanda Showers; Vern & Eva Gilbert; Virginia & Newton
 Poling
 Cc: Janice Tyrrell; Jean Hatch; Judy & Orville Paller; Pam Keesler; Sally
 Gailey; Paul Kinsey; Karen Massey
 Subject: Miriam Fredrick's passing

 To All,

 Miriam Orpurt Fredrick co-author of our family history book "North
 Carolina Oylers and their Descendants" passed on yesterday afternoon
 less than two months shy of her 100 birthday.  Carol & I with our
 daughter and grandchildren last saw her about 3 weeks ago and we
 knew her time here was short.

 We enjoyed spending countless hours with her analyzing our genealogy finds from
 libraries, court houses and also from many cousins close and quite
 distant. Carol and I learned a lot from her and thought of her more
 as an aunt than Carol's first cousin once removed. She was without
 a knee joint after failed replacement surgery but never complained
 and enjoyed life to it fullest.

 During our forays we many times used cramped 2 person elevators in
 small libraries and courthouses . Once to visit a relative in Peru, IN
 I pulled her backwards up steep grassy bank in a wheel chair while
  her eyes got as big as saucers.

 While it was lots of work for me taking along a wheel chair and/or her electric
 cart which each trip I disassembled and re assembled many times I
 thoroughly enjoyed taking out someone so appreciative of Carol & I. Over the
 8 or so years we did research together we made almost 60 trips of one
 sort or another with her and many other distant trips without her for
 the books research in our quest to find all the needed information.

 As sisters Miriam's Oyler mother married an Orpurt while Carol's Oyler
 grandmother married a Gilbert. In addition Miriam lived with Carol's
 mothers Gilbert family during her teen years in order  to attend
 school in town at Peru, Indiana. Hence she has always been a close
 cousin to Carol.

 Having an interest in genealogy since the 1930's Miriam also did  research
 on the DeMuth, Kinsey, Orpurt & Wissinger lines and being almost 100
 yrs old knew many of the relatives we researched and wrote about in our book.
 Many of her remembrances of the old days are preserved in the Oyler
 book. Of the dozens of first cousins of Sarah Wissinger and Henry Oyler's 14
 children there are now only three left. The youngest is 78 and the
 oldest is also 99  with Carol's mother in the middle at age 87.

 Our goal was to complete the book while Miriam was still alive and for that
 we are thankful as she got to enjoy it her last year. Last fall at age 99, we took
 a very frail Miriam back to see her old church in Mishawaka, Indiana where she had
 been a member of the board. She was able to tell us the route from her head
 for the 1-1/2 hour drive which to me was amazing for someone in their 100th year.
 Miriam was however finding it difficult to accept the changes that had taken
 place in the churches physical building over the 10+ year period since she had
 moved to the Brethren Retirement Home in North Manchester, Indiana.

 I once saw a sign that said "When a person dies we lose a library".  In Miriam's
 case we have preserved as much of that as we could in our  Oyler family
 history book.  All the cousins are blessed for her abilities and early
 efforts to document their genealogy from times past.

 For the cousins receiving this email letter we have plenty of books left
 for $32 so contact us for one.

                             Sincerely,     Curt & Carol Gamble


3/1/02
I rechecked my source for the David Kinsey - Carlotta Horner marriage. The
transcript of the marriage book has

Kinsey, David Homer, Charlotte 11-19-1846

ref http://www.usigs.org/library/vitals/oh/preble/

The name is wrong (should be Carlotta Horner) but I think the date is
correct. David was in Randolph Co, IN by 1852 when he remarried Mary Adams.

Bob Sharp
sharprm@megsinet.net
visit my web page at
http://www.megsinet.net/~sharprm/index.html

2/27/02
I think I can place most of these Preble Co. Kinseys. See below. Can you help me place the 2 I don't know?
I have more on these Kinsey families if anyone is interested.

Bob Sharp
sharprm@megsinet.net
visit my web page at
http://www.megsinet.net/~sharprm/index.html
=============================================
Daniel1 Kinsey, son of Jacob Kuntzi and Julianne ??, was born in VA 1796. Daniel died 05 Apr 1881 at 84 years
of age. He married Catherine Overholtz in Preble Co, OH, 22 Mar 1821. Catherine was born abt 1800. Catherine
died abt 22 Dec 1879 at approximately 79 years of age.
David1 Kinsey, son of John Kinsey and Elizabeth Mullendore, was born in Jackson Twp, Montgomery, Oh 25 Feb 1815.
David died 04 Mar 1892 at 77 years of age. He married Catherine Mullendore in Preble Co, OH, 18 Sep 1838.
Catherine was born in MD 05 Jan 1822. Catherine died 07 Apr 1903 in Preble Co, OH, at 81 years of age.

Clarissa "Chloa"1 Kinsey, daughter of David Kinsey and Elizabeth Vinson, birth date unknown. Clarissa died
19 Feb 1871. She married Jesse W. Williams in Preble Co, OH, 15 Jan 1840. Jesse was born in Preble Co, OH
12 Feb 1820. Jesse died 5 Sep 1877 in Centralia, Il, at 57 years of age.

Earle1 Kinsey, son of David Kinsey and Elizabeth Vinson, birth date unknown. He married Mary McCampbell in
Preble Co, OH, 01 Sep 1835. She was previously married to Joel W. McCampbell. Her maiden name may have been
Mary Shideler.

Martha Ann1 Kinsey, daughter of David Kinsey and Elizabeth Vinson, birth date unknown. She married David Williams
in Preble Co, OH, 1 Jan 1839.

Robert Young1 Kinsey, son of David Kinsey and Elizabeth Vinson, was born in Botetourt Co, VA 13 Mar 1810.
He married Hannah Jane Harris in Preble Co, OH, 09 Apr 1839. Hannah was born in Camden, Preble Co, OH 1 Jun 1820.
Hannah died 15 Sep 1876 in Lynn, Randolph Co, IN, at 56 years of age.

I do not kown this one Samuel Kinsey to Anna Lough on Nov 9 1830

David1 Kinsey, son of Johannes Kinsey and Chloe ??, was born in Daleville, Botetourt Co, Va Abt 1782. David
died 17 Oct 1865 in Lynn, Randolph Co, IN, at 83 years of age. He married three times. He married Elizabeth
Vinson in Boones Mill, Franklin Co, Va, 01 Oct 1811. Elizabeth was born abt 1783. Elizabeth died 30 Jun 1843
in Preble Co, OH, at 59 years of age. He married Carlotta Horner in Preble Co, OH, 19 Nov 1846. He married
Mary Adams in Randolph Co, IN, 08 Apr 1852. Mary was born in VA 1800.

Jacob1 Kinsey, son of David Kinsey and Elizabeth Vinson, was born in VA 1826. Jacob died 1853 at 27 years of age.
He married Mary Ann Randall 27 Sep 1849 in Preble Co, OH. Mary was born OH 1830.

John1 Kinsey, son of David Kinsey and Elizabeth Vinson, birth date unknown. He married Phoebe Haag in Preble Co,
OH, 03 Jan 1837.

Levi1 Kinsey, son of Daniel Kinsey and Catherine Overholtz, was born 1825. He married Susan Ann Neff 23 Dec 1852
In Preble Co, OH. Susan was born 1836.

John1 Kinsey, son of Daniel Kinsey and Catherine Overholtz, was born 1834. John died 03 Apr 1909 at 74 years of age.
He married Mary Ann White in Preble Co, OH, 12 Sep 1858. Mary was born 1834.

I don't know this one Kintzy, Benjamin F to Margaret Stuck Feb 5, 1857

Bob Sharp
sharprm@megsinet.net
visit my web page at
http://www.megsinet.net/~sharprm/index.html

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Kinsey"
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:50 PM
Subject: Fw: a few Kinsey marriages



2/27/02
Andrea,
My records indicate Jacob and Ann Margaret did not have a son by the
name of Samuel. Do you have something that indicates otherwise?

There are some Kinsey connections to the Hoch and Klein families,
however. Can you tell me a little more about the will you found online?
For example, where was it from? This may provide a lead in answering
your question.
Thanks,
Jim Hoke
Alexandria, VA

2/27/02
Sorry John M. I noticed after I sent the previous email that you contributed the will...
that's what I get for not stopping to read! Anyway, I still need the answer.
Thanks,
Andrea

2/27/02
I found a will online for a Samuel Kintzi/Kinsy who died bef 15 Mar 1883. It bequeaths his
estate to his sisters Susannah Hoch and Sarah Klein. Is this Samuel the son of Jacob Kuentzi
and Ann Margaret ?

Thanks,
Andrea Haga


2/26/02
Sharon, great work. I don't have
Daniel Kinsey m Catherine Overholt
Eazly Kinsey m Mary McCampbell
Samuel Kinsey m Anna Lllough
John Kinsey m Phebe Hague
Benjamin F. Kinsey m Margaret Stuck
Not sure about David Kinsey m Charlotte Horner, I have David Kinsey m
Carlotta Horner November 19, 1846 in Preble County not real confident of my
source, came from Judith Gennett, looks like the same people to me.
I had the rest but was missing a few dates you supplied.
Thanks again, Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "mills" mills@reliable-net.net
To: paul@hargray.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: a few Kinsey marriages


Paul,

I was in Preble Co OH one day last week and picked up the following Kinsey
marriages from Book 1. I don't have matches for most of these in my file,
and I have no clue how they fit in or if they do.

Please feel free to forward to the list. I've noted where I found the
marriage and when I have a copy, in case someone wants a paper copy of one of these.

I tried to get copies of the early ones and didn't ask for all of them,
because the librarian at Eaton was required to handle the book herself.
She also had microfilm but said the book made better copies.

Sharon Mills

Found in Preble Co OH search in Feb, 2002: (see Kinsey documents file)
Daniel Kinsey m Catherine Overholt on Mar 22, 1821 James Crawford JP (copy)
David Kinsey m Catherine Mullendore on 18 Sept 1838 Peter Van Ausdal JP (copy)
Clarissa Kinsey m Jesse Williams on Jan 15 1840 p 376 marriage index
Eaxly Kinsey to Mary McCampbell on September 01, 1835 p 304 (copy)
Martha Ann Kinsey to David Williams on January 1, 1839 p 359 of marriage index (copy)
Robert Kinsey to Hannah Jane Harris on April 9, 1839 p 365 of marriage index (copy)
Samuel Kinsey to Anna Lough on Nov 9 1830 p 208 of marriage index (copy)
David Kinsey to Charlotte Horner July 29, 1852 by John Walls MG Book 1 page 260
Jacob Kinsey to Mary Ann Randall on September 27, 1849 by James T Francis JP bk 1 p 212
John Kinsey to Phebe Hague on Jan 3, 1847 by John Holderman JP book 1 p 121
Levi Kinsey to Susan Ann Neff on Dec 23, 1852 by L White, MG book 1 page 327
John Kinsey to Mary Ann White on September 12, 1858 by R W Swain JP book 1 p 536
Kintzy, Benjamin F to Margaret Stuck Feb 5, 1857 by R G D McKenny Bk 1 p 484


2/24/02
Sorry my mail came back to you. I get a lot of that on this Juno.,
that's what you get on free stuff.
The reunion sounds like fun but it a little far for me to go. My son,
Jim, was there for 5 years and I went there twice and he paid for it both
times. He was in the Air Force for 30 years, getting out last year.
It is a little too far to drive for me anymore. My grandmother was the
daughter of Lewis Heiney, and she and her brother, Jacob were raised by
there grandparents, Jacob Heiney and Susannah Kinsey Heiney. This was
after both mother and father died. They were about 9 and 6 at this time,
1864/5.

Susannah Kinsey was a daughter of Abraham Kinsey who pioneered this area
of Eastern Indiana. I can't
tell you his occupation but I think he was a entrepreneur in the land
business here. I have records of some
30 to 40 parcels of real estate in which he was engaged in the buying or
selling. He would buy property
for $2,000, then sell it the next year for $2,200, making 10% profit,
with no real estate taxes. $200 would
keep most families in good stead for a year and a lot them did with less.

I am still looking for the reason Abraham died of a gunshot wound. This
was in Pendleton, Madison Co.,
Indiana. His wife had died the year previous and some speculation that
it was self inflected. He had a daughter in Madison Count although his
home was in Dalton Township, Wayne Co., IN. I have been searching for
this for 10 to 15 years but I won't give up.
Granville Coomes



From: Eric & Andrea Haga eaohaga@swbell.net 2-19-02
I can't seem to remember if I have posted this before and wanted to do so in case I haven't.
The following was taken from the Index to Ohio Wills to 1850. I am assuming that these
copies can be obtained relatively easily. Hope this finds everyone well.
Andrea

Kinsey, Aaron estate-1833, Harrison Co, case #393
Kinsey, Benjamin estate-1841. Athens Co, will book 3 p. 342
Kinsey, David will-1846 Montgomery Co, will book D, p. 299, case # 1923
Kinsey, Edmund will-1849 Jefferson Co, will book 4 p. 435; common pleas court
journal 14 p. 571
Kinsey, George Sr. will-1828 Jefferson Co, will book 2 p. 176; common pleas court
journal p. 53
Kinsey, Hannah will-1843 Harrison Co, journal estate p. 519; Historical Collections of
Harrison County, Ohio b. Charles A. Hanna, 1900, p. 428
Kinsey, Jacob estate-1826 Preble Co, case #270
Kinsey, John will-1819 Montgomery Co, will book A p. 184, case # 412
Kinsey, John will-1846 Montgomery Co, will book D p. 307, case #1937, case #2073
Kinsey, Joseph estate-1827 Montgomery Co, case #816
Kinsey, Stephen estate-1833 Jefferson Co, common pleas court journal G, p. 381
Kinsey, Ulyssis estate-1846 Coshocton Co, administration docket A, case #611
Kinzey, Henry will-1822, Montgomery Co, will book A, p. 219, case #522



Kinsey Family personal property tax records 1782-1817

1782; Bedford (later Franklin) co.
KINSEY, Henry, Free Males Above 21 Yrs, 1; Slaves, --; Horses, 1; Nett
Cattle, 5; White Tithes Above 16 Yrs, 1 [or 6?]; Blk Tithes Above 16 Yrs, --.

Between April 10 & April 20, 1783; Bedford (later Franklin) co.
No. Tithes, 1; Names, Henry KINSEY; Tax on Covering Horses, --; Whites
Over 21, 1; Blacks Over 21, --; Blacks Under 16, --; Total Blacks, --; No.
Horses, 1; No. Nett Cattle 1; No. Wheels R [riding] Carriages, --; Ordinary
License --.

1784; Bedford (later Franklin) co.
Total Tithes, 1; [Taxpayer] Henry KINSEY; Tax on Covg. Horses, --; Whites
Over 21 Years, 1; Blks Over 21 Years, --; Blks Under 16 Years, --; Total
Blacks, --; No. Horses, 1; No. Nett Cattle 2; No. Wheels R [riding]
Carriages, --; Ordinary License --.

1785; Bedford (later Franklin) co.
Total Tithes, 1; Names, Jacob KINSEY; Tax on Covg. Horses, --; Whites Over
21, 1; Blacks Over 21, --; Blacks Under 16, --; Total Blacks, --; Horses, 2;
Cattle 2; No. Wheels Ridg. Carriages, --; Ordinary License --.

1785; Bedford (later Franklin) co.
Total Tithes, 1; Names, Henry KINSEY; Tax on Covg. Horses, --; Whites Over
21, 1; Blacks Over 21, --; Blacks Under 16, --; Total Blacks, --; Horses, 2;
Cattle 3; No. Wheels Ridg. Carriages, --; Ordinary License --.

1786; Franklin co.
KINZEY, Henry, 1 tithe, 1 white over 21, - whites under 21, - slaves over 16,
- slaves under 16, 3 horses, - 3 cattle.
NOTE: Thomas ARTHUR's list.

April 15, 1787; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 whites over 21, - whites under 21, - blacks over 16, -
blacks under 16, 3 horses, - 3 cattle.

April 22, 1787; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 whites over 21, - whites under 21, - blacks over 16, -
blacks under 16, 2 horses, - 6 cattle.

March 19, 1788; Franklin co.
KINZY, Jacob, 1 whites over 16, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 16 & under
12, 3 horses, - ordinary license, - stud horses.

June 22, 1788; Franklin co.
KINZY, Henry, 1 whites over 16, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 16 & under
12, 1 horses, - ordinary license, - stud horses.

April 29, 1789; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12, 3 horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

April 29, 1789; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12, 2 horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

April 20, 1790; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 2 horses, -
cattle.

August 21, 1790; Franklin co.
KINSY, Henry, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 2 horses, -
cattle.

April 12, 1791; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 2 horses, -
stud horses.

August 22, 1791; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 3 horses, -
stud horses.

May 05, 1792; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 12, 2 horses, -
stud horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

July 14, 1792; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 12, 2 horses, -
stud horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

April 08, 1793; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 4 horses, -
stud horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

May 17?, 1793; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 whites, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 2 horses, -
stud horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

April 07, 1794; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 16, blacks
over 12, 2 horses, - stud horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

April 17, 1794; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 16, blacks
over 12, 3 horses, - stud horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

March 28, 1795; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 16, blacks
over 12, 2 horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

April 06, 1795; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 16,
blacks over 12, 3 horses.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

August 01, 1796; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 3 horses,
- stud horses.
NOTE: George TURNBULL's list.

September?, 1796; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 3 horses,
- stud horses.
NOTE: George TURNBULL's list.

April 03, 1797; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 4 horses,
- stud horses.
NOTE: George TURNBULL's list.

April 04, 1797; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 4 horses,
- stud horses.
NOTE: George TURNBULL's list.

September 03, 1798; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 2 horses,
- stud horses, - license.
NOTE: George TURNBULL's list.

September 03, 1798; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 4 horses,
- stud horses, - license.
NOTE: George TURNBULL's list.

March 23, 1799; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 3 horses,
- stud horses, - license.
NOTE: William TURNBULL's list.

March 24, 1799; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 2 horses,
- stud horses, - license.
NOTE: William TURNBULL's list.

July 09, 1800; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 3 horses,
- stud horses, - rate for ?season, - license.
NOTE: Richard ?T____'s list.

August 04, 1800; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 1 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16, 4 horses,
- stud horses, - rate for ?season, - license.
NOTE: Richard ?T____'s list.

May 06, 1801; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12 & 16, 3
horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - ?chairs.
NOTE: Richard FRENCH's list.

August 25, 1801; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12 & 16, 3
horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - ?chairs.
NOTE: Richard FRENCH's list; it's likely that the second tithe is Henry's
son, John, born ca. 1781, age 20.

August 02, 1802; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12 & 16, 3
horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - store license.
NOTE: Richard FRENCH's list.

August 14, 1802; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12 & 16, 3
horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - store license.
NOTE: Richard FRENCH's list.

April 06, 1803; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12 & 16, 5
horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - merchant license.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

July 25, 1803; Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks over 12 & 16, 6
horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - merchant license.
NOTE: Moses GREER's list.

August 29, 1804; Moses Greer's District, Franklin co.
KINSEY, Henry, 2 white tithes, - blacks over 16, - blacks under 16 & over 17,
6 horses, - stud horses, - rate for season, - merchant ?license, taxes -
dollars 72 cents.
NOTE: this is the last personal property tax entry for Henry KINSEY in
Franklin co..

1814; Moses Greer's District, Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob, 2 white tithes, 2 blacks over 16, 4 horses, tax $2.21.

1815; Moses Greer's District, Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob; 3 white males above 16 years old; 4 slaves over 12 years old;
4 slaves above 16 years old; 4 horses, mules, mares or colts; 20 head of
cattle; 1 chest of drawers; tax $4.76 and 1/2.

1816; Moses Greer's District, Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob; 1 white male above 16 years old; 3 slaves over 12 years old;
4 horses; tax $4.22.

1817; Moses Greer's District, Franklin co.
KINSEY, Jacob; 1 white male above 16 years old; 3 slaves over 12 years old;
4 horses; tax $4.22.

NOTES FROM SUBMITTER:

Sources: Bedford County Personal Property Tax 1782-1809, 1809-1851 (LDS microfilm)
Franklin County Personal Property Tax, 1786-1807, 1809-1850 (LDS microfilm)

No one has checked this transcript.
There are no personal property tax lists for 1808.
Bedford co. records past 1785 were not searched.
Franklin co. records past 1817 were not searched.


Contributed by John K. MacPhee, JKMII@aol.com


Anna Elizabeth ("Betsy") Wagaman and her husband,
John W. Kinsey b. 5 July 1762, Daleville, Botetourt Co, VA.
My direct line is as follows:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wagamon/AnnaElizabeth=Meg.htm
John Kinsey and Anna Elizabeth Wagaman
Christian Kinsey, b. 15 April 1815, d. 22 Oct. 1885 Noble Co, IN, m. on 5
April 1836 in Montgomery Co, OH to Mary Martin, b. 26 Jan 1816 OH, d. 23 July
1896
Mary Ann Kinsey, b. June 1842, Montgomery Co, OH, m. 30 Nov. 1861, Noble Co,
IN to Oliver H. P. Gaff , b. Sept 1835, Stark Co, OH, d. 22 Nov 1862
Ida Gaff, b. 25 Sept 1862, Churubusco, Noble Co, IN, d. 11 Aug 1940 Calhoun
Co, MI, m. 23 Nov 1882, Fremont, Steuben Co, IN to Adam Wesley Stroh, b. 14
July 1859, Waterloo, DeKalb Co, IN, d. 17 Jan 1933, Athens, MI
Alma Vera Stroh, b. 26 Feb 1889, d. 27 Jan 1966, New Carlisle, IN, m. 7 Sept
1910, Three Rivers, St. Joseph Co, MI to Henry Edgar Spade, b. 27 May 1878,
Akron, Summit Co, OH, d. 29 Jan 1959, New Carlisle, IN.
I have more information on some of these and look forward to hearing from
anyone with something to add to what I know about this line.
Meg


should be addressed to: Ruth Hamdorf
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=wagamon&id=I43
1 John W KINSEY b: 5 JUL 1762 d: 1846
+ Anna Elizabeth WAGAMAN b: ABT 1790 d: unknown
2 Christian Wagaman KINSEY b: 15 APR 1815 d: 22 OCT 1885
+ Mary MARTIN b: 26 JAN 1816 d: 23 JUL 1896
3 Mary Ann KINSEY b: JUN 1842
+ Oliver H P GAFF b: SEP 1835 d: 22 NOV 1862
4 Ida GAFF b: 25 SEP 1862 d: 11 AUG 1940
+ Adam Wesley STROH b: 14 JUL 1859 d: 17 JAN 1933
5 Alma Vera STROH b: 26 FEB 1889 d: 27 JAN 1966
+ Henry Edgar SPADE b: 27 MAY 1878 d: 29 JAN 1959
2 John Wagaman KINSEY b: 27 JUL 1816 d: 22 AUG 1885
+ Mahala CAYLOR b: 24 APR 1816 d: 22 OCT 1897
2 Susannah KINSEY b: ABT 1817
+ Michael STUCK
2 Henry KINSEY b: 27 MAY 1819 d: 19 MAR 1895
+ Susannah HORN b: 13 FEB 1820 d: 15 APR 1904
2 Elizabeth KINSEY b: ABT 1821
+ Jeremiah ARMANTROUT b: ABT 1818
2 Daniel Wagaman KINSEY b: 22 AUG 1822 d: 27 MAR 1893
+ Rachel STEPHENS b: ABT 1832 d: ABT 1862
+ Esther Ellen MCDONALD b: 16 FEB 1843 d: 5 JUL 1929
2 William KINSEY b: ABT 1826
+ Mary DELL b: UNKNOWN d: UNKNOWN
2 Sarah Ann KINSEY b: 11 JAN 1827 d: 5 NOV 1905
+ Henry SHARP b: ABT 1826 d: UNKNOWN
2 Joel Wagaman KINSEY b: 7 DEC 1830 d: 17 NOV 1910
+ Mary Jane CRANSTON b: 1 APR 1837
2 Mary Ann KINSEY b: ?
+ Barbara Elizabeth HECKMAN b: ABT 1780 d: SEP 1812
2 Samuel Heckman KINSEY b: ABT 1807 d: 2 APR 1873
+ Hannah WAGAMAN b: 1811 d: 1868
2 Jacob KINSEY b: 22 AUG 1807 d: 31 JAN 1881
+ Elizabeth REASOR b: 12 OCT 1805 d: 22 MAR 1861
2 Benjamin Heckman KINSEY b: 30 OCT 1809 d: 20 APR 1885
+ Elizabeth ASHENFELTER b: 4 JUN 1809 d: 31 JAN 1879
+ Mary SKINNER b: ?
2 David Heckman KINSEY b: 16 FEB 1811 d: 22 JUL 1886
+ Margaret Elizabeth SOUBRAY b: UNKNOWN d: UNKNOWN
2 Phoebe KINSEY b: 12 JAN 1812 d: 24 OCT 1862
+ Reginald BUTT b: UNKNOWN d: UNKNOWN

KINSEY, Benjamin Heckman b: 30 OCT 1809 in Dayton, Montgomery, OH d: 20 APR 1885 in Onward, Tipton Twp.,
Cass County, Indiana
KINSEY, Christian Wagaman b: 15 APR 1815 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 22 OCT 1885 in Noble Co, IN
KINSEY, Daniel Wagaman b: 22 AUG 1822 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 27 MAR 1893 in Payette, Payette, ID
KINSEY, David Heckman b: 16 FEB 1811 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 22 JUL 1886 in Portland, Jay, IN
KINSEY, Elizabeth b: ABT 1821 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: in Peoria, Miami, IN
KINSEY, Henry b: 27 MAY 1819 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 19 MAR 1895 in Portland, Jay, IN
KINSEY, Jacob b: 22 AUG 1807 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 31 JAN 1881 in Fairmont, Vermillion County, Illinois
KINSEY, Joel Wagaman b: 7 DEC 1830 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 17 NOV 1910 in St. Louis, Missouri
KINSEY, John W b: 5 JUL 1762 in Daleville, Augusta Co, VA d: 1846 in Dayton, Montgomery, OH
KINSEY, John Wagaman b: 27 JUL 1816 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 22 AUG 1885 in Huntington, Indiana
KINSEY, Mary Ann b: ? in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH
KINSEY, Mary Ann b: JUN 1842 in Montgomery Co, OH
KINSEY, Phoebe b: 12 JAN 1812 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 24 OCT 1862 in Macy, Miami County, Indiana
KINSEY, Samuel Heckman b: ABT 1807 in Montgomery Co, OH d: 2 APR 1873 in Elkhart, Elkhart, IN
KINSEY, Sarah Ann b: 11 JAN 1827 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: 5 NOV 1905 in Peru, Miami, IN
KINSEY, Susannah b: ABT 1817 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: in Bunker Hill, Miami, IN
KINSEY, William b: ABT 1826 in Jefferson Twp, Montgomery, OH d: in Kansas ?



Got your print out OK but would appreciate your E-mails
as to how you do it. I am descended through Abraham, his
dau. Susannah married married Jacob Heiney, his son, Lewis
m Catherine Lutz, their daughter, Susannah, m Wm. Oscar Thalls. Their 3rd
daughter, Rosa Nell Thalls Coomes was my mother. Can fill you in on the
Heineys, Thalls, Lutzes
(very little on this family). There at one time was a
Max & Virginia Kinsy Turner who were into genealogy. He was
of the same Lutz family that I am related from, Lovina
Lutz, d of Baltzer and Nancy Eby Lutz. My grandmother was
Susannah Lovina Heiney. The Turners led me to my grandmother's Aunt
Lovina. We didn't have any idea where
the name came from. She was an older sister and married
David Kinsey in 1848. The Lutzes came to Delaware Co.
Indiana after 1840 so Lovina wasn't listed in 1850 with
the Lutzes. An interesting bit of facts which every family
has some interesting stories.
Granville Coomes/grannycoomes@juno.com



1-22-02 fm: Paul Kinsey
Hi, Mom died this AM.
Paul

Port Royal, South Carolina- Anna Agnes Damm Kinsey, 104, widow of Raymond George Kinsey,
died Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at River Oaks.
Services will be at Arlington National Cemetery.
Mrs. Kinsey was born September 16, 1897 in Twelve Mile, Indiana, a daughter of
John Martin Damm and Nancy Viola Ludders Damm. She was a homemaker and a former
member of South Side Christian Church in Hammond, Indiana.

Survivors include her son, Paul Kinsey of Spring Island; two daughters,
Jane A. Bruhn of Bluffton, Mary L. Stimson of McMurray, Pennsylvania; 13 grandchildren
and 21 great grandchildren.
Copeland Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements.

1-13-02 fm: Paul Kinsey Alvy, back from TX. Been working on the middle name of John question for the
past few hours and conclude that H is correct.
Catherine Smith has Ashenfelter
Bert Dynes a Kinsey researcher several years  back (1941) has H
Miami marriage records has John H married to Minerva Durand January 3, 1858
Benjamin Heckman's will has John H getting one eleventh of estate
All the data you had in your references


Date of birth:
My only data is from Cotterman
"Arthur Vance Cotterman sent me a write up 5/1998 on Benjamin  that he
compiled November 11, 1972. " The information for this biography  was taken
from several sources in which there was some discrepancies. Therefore, the
material had to be studied and placed in its logical order in which there
could still be error. Sources were Bert Dynes History of the Kinsey family,
1941: 1850 census of Tipton Twp, Cass County Indiana; Mays Cemetery stones;
Harmon Cotterman diary for 1899; history of Kinsey Family distributed at the
Kinsey Reunion, Spencer Park, Logansport August 16, 1910."

   Benjamin Heckman Kinsey
     Elizabeth Ashenfelder

 Benjamin H. Kinsey was born October 30, 1809, son of John and Elizabeth
(Heckman ) Kinsey on a farm where the  Veterans Administration is now
located in Dayton, Ohio. He learned the carpenter trade in Dayton when it
was a mere village. According to a Montgomery County marriage license date
he was married on or soon after January 6, 1831 to Elizabeth Ashenfelder.
Three children were born at Dayton, namely: Susannah, September 23, 1831;
John H. May 4, 1833; and Phoebe Ann, October 12, 1834.
 In November, 1834 the family moved to Hagerstown, Wayne County, Indiana
where Mr. Kinsey began manufacturing furniture, and under the old system,
made most of the coffins for the neighborhood. He became a member of the
German Baptist Church in 1837 etc."


Marriage Info:

Miami County, Indiana Index to Marriage Records  F-L Vol. 1 1850-1920 page
371
Kinsey John H to Minerva Durand Jan 3, 1858 C1  82
Kinnsey John H to Minerva Durand Jan 3, 1858 C2 407

Tina, Nina ??
I assume you have seen the Mays Cemetery listing from your comments.

Will keep looking and maybe others (Bob Kinsey) can do some searching. You
have done a remarkable job pulling this together. There are only four of us
from Benjamin Heckman descendants and no one from John H. I don't believe I
have the right dates for his death since I find them in the 1880 census.
Also nothing on William A. (son) descendants.

This is what I have now after adding your info and correcting some of my
data. A lot is still not verified data.
Descendants of John H. (Heckman) Kinsey

Generation No. 1

1. JOHN H. (HECKMAN)5 KINSEY (BENJAMIN HECKMAN4, JOHN W. (WAMPLER?)3, HENRY
A2, JOHANNES1)1 was born May 04, 1833 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio2,
and died March 12, 1866 in New Waverly, Cass County, Indiana2. He married
MINERVA DURAND3 January 03, 1858 in Peru, Miami County, Indiana3, daughter
of SAMUEL DURAND and SARAH BARNER. She was born Abt. 1843 in Ohio4, and died
Unknown.

Notes for JOHN H. (HECKMAN) KINSEY:

[Broderbund Family Archive #304, Ed. 1, Census Records: Indiana, 1860, Date
of Import: Jan 13, 2002, Internal Ref. #1.304.1.12326.44]

Individual: Kinsey, John H.
Age: 27 Year(s)
Ethnicity: White
Birthplace: Ohio
County: Cass
Township: Tipton
Post Office: Logansport
State: IN
Census Page Number: 0605
Census Line Number: 37A
National Archives Series Number: M653
National Archives Microfilm Number: 247
Job: Carpenter
Job Code: 430 - Carpenter
Real Property: $350
Personal Property: $200
Head of Household: Y
Literate: Yes
Family Number: 0658
Dwelling Number: 0665
1880 Census Place: New Waverly, Cass, Indiana
Source: FHL Film 1254268 National Archives Film T9-0268 Page 241D
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
John H. KINSEY Self M M W 47 OH
Occ: Carpenter Fa: OH Mo: PA
Minerva KINSEY Wife F M W 37 OH
Occ: Keeping House Fa: NY Mo: NY
Notes for MINERVA DURAND:

Have her teaching Sunday School at the Pipe Creek School May 1868 along with
Ellie Kinsey and Phebe Puterbaugh. From letter Mattie Thomas to Uriah
Oblinger May 24-25, 1868 Onward, Indiana

[Broderbund Family Archive #304, Ed. 1, Census Records: Indiana, 1860, Date
of Import: Jan 13, 2002, Internal Ref. #1.304.1.12328.0]

Individual: Kinsey, Minerva
Age: 17 Year(s)
Ethnicity: White
Birthplace: Ohio
County: Cass
Township: Tipton
Post Office: Logansport
State: IN
Census Page Number: 0605
Census Line Number: 38A
National Archives Series Number: M653
National Archives Microfilm Number: 247
Real Property: $0
Personal Property: $0
Literate: Yes
Family Number: 0658
Dwelling Number: 0665

Children of JOHN KINSEY and MINERVA DURAND are:
i. FRANCIS M.6 KINSEY5, b. Abt. 1853; d. August 07, 18596.

Notes for FRANCIS M. KINSEY:
!DEATH: DIED IN INFANCY

More About FRANCIS M. KINSEY:
Burial: Onward, Cass County, Indiana
Cemetery: Mays6

2. ii. WILLIAM A. KINSEY, b. Abt. 1855.
iii. EDNA KINSEY7, b. Abt. 1857.

Notes for EDNA KINSEY:
!DEATH: DIED IN INFANCY

iv. TINA KINSEY7, b. Abt. 1859; d. August 22, 18708.

Notes for TINA KINSEY:
!BIRTH: DIED IN INFANCY
!SOURCE: BERT DYNES AND C. SMITH P32 SMITH HAS NAME TINA

More About TINA KINSEY:
Cemetery: Mays8.

Generation No. 2

2. WILLIAM A.6 KINSEY (JOHN H. (HECKMAN)5, BENJAMIN HECKMAN4, JOHN W.
(WAMPLER?)3, HENRY A2, JOHANNES1)9 was born Abt. 1855.

Notes for WILLIAM A. KINSEY:
!ADDRESS: ST. LOUIS, MO
!SOURCE: BERT DYNES AND C. SMITH P32

Children of WILLIAM A. KINSEY are:
3. i. EDNA L.7 KINSEY, b. January 01, 1874, St. Louis, St. Louis County, Missouri.

ii. ARTHUR G KINSEY9, b. 1888, St. Louis, St. Louis County, Missouri.
iii. RICHARD G. KINSEY9, b. Abt. 1889, St. Louis, St. Louis County, Missouri.
iv. HOWARD O. KINSEY9, b. 1897, St. Louis, St. Louis County, Missouri.

More About HOWARD O. KINSEY:
Date born 2: Abt. 1897
Date born 3: 18979.

Generation No. 3

3. EDNA L.7 KINSEY (WILLIAM A.6, JOHN H. (HECKMAN)5, BENJAMIN HECKMAN4, JOHN
W. (WAMPLER?)3, HENRY A2, JOHANNES1)9,10 was born January 01, 1874 in St.
Louis, St. Louis County, Missouri11. She married HARRY E. JENNINGS, SR.12
January 01, 189613.

More About EDNA L. KINSEY:
Date born 2: January 01, 1874, New Castle, Henry County, Indiana14

Children of EDNA KINSEY and HARRY JENNINGS are:

i. HARRY E.8 JENNINGS, JR.15, b. New Castle, Henry County, Indiana.
ii. DAVID HENRY JENNINGS15, b. June 22, 1897, New Castle, Henry County, Indiana16.

Endnotes

1. Benjamin H. Kisney's Will.
2. Robert Kinsey, rakkinsey@yahoo.com.
3. Kinsey (1).FTW, Date of Import: Apr 22, 1999.
4. Smith, Alva Ray.
5. Kinsey (1).FTW, Date of Import: Apr 22, 1999.
6. Mays cemetery index.
7. Kinsey (1).FTW, Date of Import: Apr 22, 1999.
8. Mays cemetery index.
9. Kinsey (1).FTW, Date of Import: Apr 22, 1999.
10. Glen F. Kinzey, letter 8/11/1999.
11. Robert Kinsey, rakkinsey@yahoo.com.
12. Kinsey (1).FTW, Date of Import: Apr 22, 1999.
13. Robert Kinsey, rakkinsey@yahoo.com.
14. Glen F. Kinzey, letter 8/11/1999.
15. Kinsey (1).FTW, Date of Import: Apr 22, 1999.
16. Robert Kinsey, rakkinsey@yahoo.com.

Paul Kinsey


Subject: William Kinsey


> John,
> I have been going through the 1870 Census' and have come up with the
following. I am still going through the 1880 KS census and will get back to
you on this.
> Andrea
>
> 1870 Township 2, Range 15, Elmore PO, Richardson Co, NE p. 156
> Dwelling 62, Family 67, lines 28-33
> Kinsey, William; 47 m w; Farmer; $4000; $2500; Ohio
> Kinsey, Margaret; 45 f w; Keeping House; Ohio
> Kinsey, Lenard A; 21 m w; Farm laborer; Indiana
> Kinsey, Elizabeth S; 14 f w; at home; Iowa
> Kinsey, Levi L; 9 m w; at home; Iowa
> Kinsey, Clan J; 11 f w; at home; Iowa
>
>



Hello all, 
I was reading Paul's email and realized that I had made an error. The first census that I included was 1850, not 1860; the second census listing was 1860. 
Sorry for the confusion, if there was any! 
Andrea




Cheryl, as you can see there are a bunch of us keeping track of the Christian Kuntzi line. We have a pretty large data base and are always interested in expanding the data as well as sharing what we have. 
Shirley Thompson Pyle is on our list and she is a direct descendant of Samuel H. Kinsey and Luticia. Maybe between the two of you, you would be able to expand our data base. I have made an attempt to add your data and 1880 census info into my file and will print it out for additions and corrections. 
Paul Kinsey 
Descendants of Samuel H. Kinsey
Generation No. 1
1. SAMUEL H.6 KINSEY (JACOB5, JOHN4, JOHANNES3 KUNTZI, JR, CS 1.1.2, JOHANNES2, CHRISTIAN1)1 was born May 15, 1834 in Connersville, Fayette County, Indiana1, and died December 11, 1917 in Lafayette, Indiana1. He married (1) LUTICIA (LETITIA?) SAXON1 May 12, 1853 in Grant County, Indiana1. She was born Abt. 1837 in Indiana2, and died Abt. 1872. He married (2) ELIZABETH DAILY March 20, 1875 in Carroll County, Indiana3. She was born Abt. 1852 in New York4.
Notes for SAMUEL H. KINSEY:
Died at Indiana Solders Home
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cheryl Burgin 
To: donsm52@home.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 2:47 AM
Subject: Kinsey
Hi Don, 
I stumbled on your site tonight and was very surprised with the information I found. I found a Samuel H Kinsey who married Luticia Saxon and then Elizabeth Dailey. 
Samuel H Kinsey was my gggrandfather. There is one child listed (Abraham Lincoln Kinsey). I know there were more children since my ggrandmother was a daughter (Martha) from the first marriage. Luticia died the same year my ggrandmother was born so I presume that she died in child birth. Also their was a daughter Effie from the second marriage. I met her grandson this summer when I made a trip to Indiana to research the family. Martha Kinsey married Isaac Welker - they had 4 children. They moved to Canada in 1913 I think.
Are you related to the Kinsey family or do you just do research on various families and put it on the web? 
I am looking forward to hearing from you. Andrea,

I have the 1880 census and didn't find William Kinsey in Kansas or anywhere
else and the only two census records which I feel certain are for "Uncle
Bill" are 1850 and 1860, Kosciusko Co., IN; they both have William and Mary
Kinsey and Martin Immel in common.

1850
Dwelling 74, family 77 (neighbor of Daniel W. Kinsey, family 76 and Abraham
Kinsey, family 75)
line 13: KINSEY, William; 24 (1826); M; W; clearing land; $500.00; Ohio
line 14: KINSEY, Meary; 21 (1829); F; W; Ohio; can't read or write
line 15: IMMEL, Martin; 5 (1845); M; W; Indiana; can't read or write;
pauper.

1860
Dwelling 295, family 298
line 23: KINSEY, William, 36 (1824), M, farmer, $2000, $400, OH
line 24: KINSEY, Mary, 34 (1826), F, W, OH
line 25: KINSEY, John W., 9 (1851), M, W, IN
line 26: KINSEY, Samuel, 7 (1853), M, W, IN
line 27: KINSEY, Elizabeth, 4 (1856), F, W, IN
line 28: KINSEY, Mary E., 2 (1858), F, W, IN
line 29: KINSEY, Charles, 2/12 (1860), M, W, IN
line 30: IMMEL, Martin, 16 (1844), M, W, farm laborer, IN.

Charles Kinsy and John W. Kinsey in the 1880 census for KS could be
William's sons:

p. 40C (LDS CD); Kanwaka, Douglas, KS
BARBER, Wm. G., Self, M, M, W, 39, IN, Occ:, Farmer, Fa: PA, Mo: IN
BARBER, Mary M., Wife, F, M, W, 32, IN, Occ:, House Keeper, Fa: IN, Mo: TN
KINSY, Charles, Other, M, S, W, 19 [ca. 1861], IN, Occ:, Farm Laborer, Fa:
OH, Mo: OH
LYONS, Charles, Other, M, S, W, 13, IA, , , Fa: KS, Mo: IN
_____, Annetta, Other, F, S, W, 18, HOLLAND, Occ:, Servant, Fa: HOLLAND, Mo:
HOLLAND

p. 305B (LDS CD); Rural, Jefferson, KS
KINSEY, John W., Self, M, M, W, 29 [ca. 1851], IN, Occ:, Farmer, Fa: IN, Mo:
IN
KINSEY, Anna, Wife, F, M, W, 22, IN, Occ:, Keeping House, Fa: IN, Mo: IN
KINSEY, Elmer, Son, M, S, W, 1, IN, , , Fa: IN, Mo: IN

In the index to the 1895 Kansas state census
(<http://www.kshs.org/cgi-bin/cenidx95.cgi>) is Kinsey, J. W., 43 [ca. 1852],
M, W, Indiana, Osage, City of Overbrook. There's an 1885 state census for KS
which isn't on line yet and that's a good one to home in on next.

A biographical sketch of Jacob H. DELL (husband of Mary SHAUP) from a
history of Elkhart Co., Indiana mentions daughter Mary, wife of William
KINZIE. Their 1 Sep 1846 marriage is recorded in Elkhart Co.

JKM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric & Andrea Haga"
1880 Census
Census Place: Colburn, Tippecanoe, Indiana
Source: FHL Film 1254313 National Archives Film T9-0313 Page 147C 
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
Samuel KINSEY Self M M W 44 IN
Occ: Laborer Fa: VA Mo: PA
Elisabeth KINSEY Wife F M W 28 NY
Occ: Keeping House Fa: IRE. Mo: IRE.
Mattie KINSEY Dau F S W 8 IN
Fa: IN Mo: NY
Effie KINSEY Dau F S W 4 IN
Fa: IN Mo: NY
Notes for LUTICIA (LETITIA?) SAXON:
1860 Census has name Letitia, Shirley Pyle has Luticia
Children of SAMUEL KINSEY and LUTICIA SAXON are:
i. GEORGE W.7 KINSEY5, b. Abt. 1854, Indiana5.
Notes for GEORGE W. KINSEY:
1880 Census 
Census Place: Adams, Carroll, Indiana
Source: FHL Film 1254267 National Archives Film T9-0267 Page 16D 
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
George KINSEY Self M M W 27 IN
Occ: Painter Fa: OH Mo: IN
Nancy A. KINSEY Wife F M W 22 IN
Occ: Housekeeping Fa: NC Mo: OH
Daniel GUNKLE Other M S W 28 IN
Occ: Painter Fa: PA Mo: PA
Frank HENDERSON Other M S W 31 IN
Occ: Laborer Fa: PA Mo: PA
ii. ANN E. KINSEY5, b. Abt. 1857, Indiana5.
2. iii. ABRAHAM LINCOLN KINSEY, b. June 08, 1860, Lockport, Carroll County, Indiana; d. June 23, 1938, Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana.
iv. MARTHA "MATTIE" KINSEY6, b. Abt. 18726; m. ISAAC WELKER.
Notes for MARTHA "MATTIE" KINSEY:
Had four children
Moved to Canada about 1913.
Child of SAMUEL KINSEY and ELIZABETH DAILY is:
v. EFFIE7 KINSEY6, b. Abt. 1876, Indiana6.
Generation No. 2
2. ABRAHAM LINCOLN7 KINSEY (SAMUEL H.6, JACOB5, JOHN4, JOHANNES3 KUNTZI, JR, CS 1.1.2, JOHANNES2, CHRISTIAN1)7 was born June 08, 1860 in Lockport, Carroll County, Indiana7, and died June 23, 1938 in Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana7. He married RACHEL ELIZABETH OLINGER7 June 19, 1881 in Carroll County, Indiana7. She was born Abt. 1861 in Indiana8.
Notes for RACHEL ELIZABETH OLINGER:
1880 census 
Census Place: Lockport, Carroll, Indiana
Source: FHL Film 1254267 National Archives Film T9-0267 Page 22A 
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
John OLINGER Self M M W 66 TN
Occ: Laborer Fa: TN Mo: TN
Lydia OLINGER Wife F M W 51 PA
Occ: Housekeeping Fa: PA Mo: PA
Linia OLINGER Dau F S W 13 IN
Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: PA
Mary A. OLINGER Dau F S W 7 IN
Fa: TN Mo: PA
Rachel OLINGER Dau F S W 19 IN
Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: PA
Frank HUNTER Other M S W 27 IN
Occ: Farm Work Fa: OH Mo: OH
Child of ABRAHAM KINSEY and RACHEL OLINGER is:
3. i. GOLDIE MAE8 KINSEY, b. January 10, 1889, Carroll County, Indiana; d. October 01, 1958, Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana.
Generation No. 3
3. GOLDIE MAE8 KINSEY (ABRAHAM LINCOLN7, SAMUEL H.6, JACOB5, JOHN4, JOHANNES3 KUNTZI, JR, CS 1.1.2, JOHANNES2, CHRISTIAN1)9 was born January 10, 1889 in Carroll County, Indiana9, and died October 01, 1958 in Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana9. She married ROBERT ALBERT LINDERMAN9 December 04, 1909 in Peru, Miami County, Indiana9. 
Child of GOLDIE KINSEY and ROBERT LINDERMAN is:
4. i. MARY MARGUERITE9 LINDERMAN, b. March 09, 1910, Peru, Miami County, Indiana; d. May 06, 1990, Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana.
Generation No. 4
4. MARY MARGUERITE9 LINDERMAN (GOLDIE MAE8 KINSEY, ABRAHAM LINCOLN7, SAMUEL H.6, JACOB5, JOHN4, JOHANNES3 KUNTZI, JR, CS 1.1.2, JOHANNES2, CHRISTIAN1)9 was born March 09, 1910 in Peru, Miami County, Indiana9, and died May 06, 1990 in Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana9. She married SAMUEL LAWRENCE THOMPSON9 March 14, 1929 in Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana9. 
Child of MARY LINDERMAN and SAMUEL THOMPSON is:
i. SHIRLEY ANN10 THOMPSON9, b. Wayne County, Indiana9; m. PYLE9, January 27, 1956, Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana9.
Endnotes
1. Shirley Pyle- mrsp1934@aol.com.
2. 1860 Census.
3. Shirley Pyle- mrsp1934@aol.com.
4. 1880 Census.
5. 1860 Census.
6. 1880 Census.
7. Shirley Pyle- mrsp1934@aol.com.
8. 1880 Census.
9. Shirley Pyle- mrsp1934@aol.com.
Cc: cherylburgin@primus.ca <mailto:cherylburgin@primus.ca> 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:36 PM 
Subject: Re: Kinsey 
Cheryl, 
This is isn't my line, but thought I would send this along. I am not sure if this helps or not, or if it is even related, but on the 1860 IN Census, p. 487, Clinton Twn., Cass Co, the following Kinseys are living in the household of Jacob Saxton: 
Line 40: Jacob Saxton; 59; m; Farmer; 1500 (prop value); SC 
Ann " ; 40; f; PA 
John Kinsey; 18; m; O (?Ohio); attended school within the year 
Line 1: Samuel " ; 16; m; IN; attended school within the year 
Abraham " ; 13; m; IN; attended school within the year 
William A. "; 6; m; IN; attended school within the year 
1860 IN Census, Clinton Twn., Cass Co p. 714: 
Line 25: Samuel H Kinsey; 26; m; Farmer; 960 (personal prop); Fayette Co (IN?) 
Letitia " ; 23; f; Delaware Co. 
George W. " ; 6; m; Grant Co.; attended school within the year 
Ann E. " ; 3; f; Cass Co. 
Abraham L.; 1/12; m; Cass Co. 
Miner Saxon; 18; m; Farm Hand; Cass Co. 
Regards, 
Andrea Haga 

----- Original Message ----- From: Cheryl Burgin 
Subject: Kinsey 
Hi Don, 
I stumbled on your site tonight and was very surprised with the information I found. I found a Samuel H Kinsey who married Luticia Saxon and then Elizabeth Dailey. 
Samuel H Kinsey was my gggrandfather. There is one child listed (Abraham Lincoln Kinsey). I know there were more children since my ggrandmother was a daughter (Martha) from the first marriage. Luticia died the same year my ggrandmother was born so I presume that she died in child birth. Also their was a daughter Effie from the second marriage. I met her grandson this summer when I made a trip to Indiana to research the family. Martha Kinsey married Isaac Welker - they had 4 children. They moved to Canada in 1913 I think. 
Are you related to the Kinsey family or do you just do research on various families and put it on the web? 
I am looking forward to hearing from you. 
Cheryl Burgin 
cherylburgin@primus.ca 
1-8-02 alvyray@attbi.com
Dear James, Rob, Martha, and Don
 
I obtained your names and addresses from World Tree projects on Ancestry.com, all listing the family of John Ashenfelter (or Ashenfelder) and Minerva (Durand) Kinsey. I am writing a scholarly paper on the Durand family and am looking for original sources for all claims. I have borrowed some of the information gleaned from your pages (sorry, but I only listed two of the four of you, to save space - my paper is now 63 dense pages long and growing), but am having trouble making the facts you present jibe with the ones I am uncovering. So I thought I would just plead directly with you for proofs you might have. Here is what I have so far in my paper:
 
39. MINERVA4 DURAND was born about 1843 in Ohio, daughter of Samuel and Sarah (Barner) Durand.[[1]] She married, 3 January 1858, Peru, Miami Co., Indiana, John H. Kinsey, son of Benjamin Heckman and Elizabeth (Ashenfelter) Kinsey, born 4 May 1833, Dayton, Montgomery Co., Ohio, died 12 March 1866, New Waverly, Cass Co., Indiana.[[2]] The 1860 census for Cass Co. shows John H. Kinsey 27, a carpenter, native of Ohio, with real and personal estates valued at $350 and $200, respectively, and Minerva 17, born in Ohio.[[3]]The 1870 census for Tipton Township, Cass Co., has John H. Kinsey 36, a native of Ohio, with Minerva 26, also native to Ohio, William A. 9, and Ernest 4/12, both sons born in Indiana. John “works on sawmill” and has real and personal estates worth $2800 and $1000, respectively. They are living with B. H. Kinsey 52, born Ohio, a farmer with real estate valued at $10,500, and Elizabeth Kinsey 60, born in Pennsylvania, his parents. Also in the household are a laborer and the Lakin family of three.[[4]] Minerva’s sister, America D. Durand, and father, Samuel Durand, live nearby.Children, possibly also including Edna, all with surname Kinsey:[[5]]   1    Francis M.,5 who perhaps died 7 August 1859 and was buried in the Mays Cemetery, Pipe Creek Township, Miami Co., Indiana.   2    William A., born about 1861, Indiana, said to be of St. Louis, Missouri.[[6]] Married in St. Louis and had four children Edna, Arthur C., Richard G., and Howard O., born about 1880-1899, all surnamed Kinsey.   3    Ernest, born February 1870, Indiana, probably Cass Co.    4    Nina (or Tina), who perhaps died 22 August 1870 and was buried in the Mays Cemetery.

 [1]. U.S. Census, 1850, Pipe Creek Township, Miami Co., Indiana, roll 160, p. 204.
 [2]. Durand, Durand, 142, mistranscribes surname from Beach as “Binsey”; Beach, “Durand,” 232, “K” in “Kinsey” easily misread as “H” or “B”, matched clearly to “K” in careful check of letters elsewhere in the typescript; History of Cass, Miami, Howard, and Tipton Counties, Indiana, 51, however has it “John H. Hinsey, of St. Louis, Missouri”; Tombstone Inscriptions, Mays Cemetery, where her parents are buried, Peru, Indiana, lists several Kinsey's: “Kinsey (-?)ina [d.] 22 Aug 1870 [section] A son of J.H. & M.” might be a son of John H. and Minerva, and “Francis M [d.] 7 Aug 1859 A son of J H & (H?)” might be another.
 [3]. U.S. Census, 1860, Tipton Township, Cass Co., Indiana, roll 247, p. 605, dwelling 665, family 658.
 [4]. U.S. Census, 1870, Tipton Township, Cass Co., Indiana, roll 302, p. 279, dwelling 52, families 52. Samuel and America D. Durand live in dwelling 50.
 [5]. U.S. Census, 1870, Cass Co.; Don Smith, Ancestry World Tree Project: Don Smith – Ancestry Index, database online, Ancestry.com, Minerva Durand and John Ashenfelder Kinsey, lists Francis, William A., Edna, and Nina, also adds “Lived in New Wav, In. Cass Co.;” Rob S. Patterson Jr. (name derived from email address robspatterson-jr@email.msn.com), Ancestry World Tree Project: h8809, database online, Ancestry.com, John Ashenfelter Kinsey, lists Francis M., William A., Edna, and Tina. Nina (or Tina) and Francis M. are probably the children in the graves, daughters perhaps but not conclusively. The middle name Ashenfelder, or Ashenfelter, does not jibe with the H. of the censuses. New Waverly is about 8 miles from Peru.
 [6]. Durand, Durand, 142; Beach, “Durand,” 232, listed only as W. A. Kinsey, also has “Address 2012 Rutger St. St Louis. Mo.” He is the only child listed.  Some of my questions are probably obvious now: 1. Where does the Ashenfelt[d]er middle name come from? That is, what is the proof? Is there a reason that the censuses say H. and not A.? For example, is Ashenfelter sometimes spelled Hashenfelter? I sense that this is not so. 2. I am convinced of the children William A. and Ernest, and just shy of convinced of Francis M. and [?]ina. But I have no evidence yet, other than your say so, that Edna is a child. Does any of you have evidence of her. Or has she somehow been confused with Ernest? Where do you get your lists of children? 3. Are Francis M and [?]ina girls or boys? I believe all of you say girls but the grave transcriptions (if they are indeed the graves of the Kinsey children) say boys. 4. Is is Tina or Nina? I am a glutton for detail so would welcome anything you could send me. I happily acknowledge contributors and will add the names of all who help. I would like NOT to use World Family Trees as references, because they are usually unsourced. In this case, your name would appear in my Acknowledgements section which currently looks like this:  Acknowledgements The author wishes to thank, in addition to Helen S. Ullman, the following contributors to this work: Family member or researchers—Carlene Basped, Terry Lynn Bryant, Derek Doran-Wood, Deborah Gorham, Samuel Pfrimmer Hays, John A. Nelson Jr., Dale Parrott, Karen J. Reason, Barbara Reynolds, Teena E. Schroeder, John Sherwood, B. J. Tremblay, Rick Van Valkenburg, Georgia Wier, Darline Wilson; Fairmount Cemetery, Denver—Catrina Geathers; Immanuel St. James, Derby—Rev. Alison Cook, Agnes _____, Mary _____; New Haven Colony Historical Society—_____ _____, Curator; Ohio railroads—Al Buchan, Mark Fischer, Jeff Knorek. Here's hoping to hear from you (if I'm lucky, ALL of you)SincerelyAlvy
----------------------Isaac Naff, Sr. and Military Petition 1799
John, thanks. Since I sent the first reference to the Petition other people
have come up with the way to actually look at the manuscript. I am always
amazed at what is available if one only knew how to find it. There are two
Petitions, one dated December 13 and is the one from Botetourt German
Baptists. Can find http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amhome.html then search
engine and then typing German Baptist. It sure looks to me that two of the
signatures are Christian Kinsey and Abraham Kinsey written with German
Script. Any of you have thoughts?
Then there is another Petition dated December 14 Franklin County with Jacob
Kinsey's signature. Can get that one by typing "tunkers" after the search
engine.
Maybe some of you have seen these before. Any thoughts would be well
received.
Paul  paul@hargray.com

From: "John K. MacPhee"
Subject: Re: [BRE] Isaac Naff, Sr. and Military Petition 1799
Date: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:25 AM

According to land and tax records, Jacob 1.1.2.1. lived in Botetourt Co.
until 1813 when he purchased land in Franklin Co.

Jacob Kinsey 1.1.3. owned land in Franklin Co. from 1784 to ca. 1803 when
his sale to Theodorick Webb was acknowledged in court and the deed for that
sale is apparently missing.

JKM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Kinsey"
Subject: Fw: [BRE] Isaac Naff, Sr. and Military Petition 1799


> I assume the reference is to Jacob Kinsey 1.1.2.1
> Paul Kinsey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [BRE] Isaac Naff, Sr. and Military Petition 1799
>
>
> There were two separate 1799 petitions by the
> Brethren of Southwestern Virginia, as discussed
> in my new book, _Stover Brethren_, 2001.
>
> The first petition was made on 13 Dec 1799 by
> the Botetourt County Brethren. This is the one
> transcribed in Sappington's _The Brethren in the
> New Nation_, 1976. A complete two-page
> reproduction of the original petition is presented
> in _Stover Brethren_, along with the original
> (many in German script) signatures of the
> petitioners. This petition and the signatures are
> also transcribed in _Stover Brethren_, correcting
> those names that Sappington and others have misread.
>
> The second, shorter, petition was made on
> 14 Dec 1799, by the Franklin County Brethren.
> This petition states:
> ================================
> To the Honbl Speaker & Gentlemen of the Genl
> Assembly of Virginia
> The Petition of the people resident in Franklin
> County Calld Tunkers pray that for their Conscien
> cious scruples they may be Exempt from performing
> Military duty but as they do not wish to shrink
> from supporting Government they are willing that
> in addition to their proportions of the Revenue tax
> any thus Scrupulous and having a Certificate of Connec
> tion with sd Church may be taxed 2 Dollars each
> pr year as an equivalent for such Military Service
> Required of them but in case of invasion or insurrection
> they are then willing to bear a part as other militia
> Grant us our prayer & we will pray
> Jacob Miller
> Jacob Nave
> John Beckleheimer Jr
> Jacob Kinsey
> Joseph Flora
> John Beckleheimer
> Peter Ikenberry
> Henry Ikenberry
> Michael Peters
> Stephen Peters
> Isaac Nave
> Jacob Nave Jur
> John Boon
> Jacob Kingery
> ================================
> Transcribed from the original by
> Richard R. Weber
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Betty Mitchell [mailto:bettyjm@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:23 PM
> > To: BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [BRE] Isaac Naff, Sr. and Military Petition 1799
> >
> > Can anyone tell me more about a petition pertaining to Military
> > Service and the Brethren. The year was 1799 and the signers were:
> > John Becklehimer, Jr., John Boon (probably Barbara Moyer's
> > step-father), Joseph Flora, (my 3rd gr. grandfather), Henry
> > Ikenberry, Peter Ikenberry, Jacob Kingery, Jacob Kinsey, Jacob
> > Miller, Isaac Nave (Nafe), Jacob Nave, Jacob Nave, Jr., Michael
> > Peters and Stephen Peters. The source is: Franklin Co.VA
> > 1786-1986--A Bicentennial History ....John S. Salmon and Emily J.
> >
> > Salmon..Franklin County Bicentennial Commission, Rocky Mount,
> > Virginia - 1993 pp. 194-195.
> >
> > I would like to know the content of the petition and if Isaac
> > Nave (Nafe) was indeed a signer.
> > Betty Naff Mitchell

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> 9-8-01
I felt like I had found a gold mine this morning when I came across the pictures of some of the Kinseys at the Family Tree Maker site.  I am a granddaughter of Lillie Echo Kinsey Curry Davidson.  My mother was Lavella Marie Curry Munger Grauel.  I am very interested in learning what I can about the family.  I was very glad to get the pictures of great great
grandfather Daniel and great grandfather Noah.  I have been to both of their grave sites, Payette, ID and Halfway, OR.  My mother is also buried at Halfway, beside her father, Samuel Curry.  I hope to hear from you!
Jaunita Ryan    ryanj@eoni.com
(in part)
John,
Congrats on finding your own answer. There may be other Kinseys who
obtained land patents in Indiana besides those shown on the BLM website.
These would be people who bought land on credit very early instead of cash,
and those who bought land with military land warrants. In addition, there
are just some differences in data between the BLM and the Indiana land
entry books that are unexplainable.
Sharon Mills

At 07:51 AM 7/2/01 -0700, John K. MacPhee wrote:
 I answered my question as to what happened to Abraham Kinsey Jr. ; found an
 1848 Winamac Land Office patent for "Abraham Kinsey Jr." of Starke Co., IN
 for 80 acres at the patent search site and a couple for Abraham Sr. too in
 Wayne Co., 1824 and 1825 "of Montgomery Co., OH". There are a few more
 Kinseys in that list for Indiana incl. Joel. Last week I noted Abraham
 Kinsey in the 1870 census index for North Bend Twp., Starke Co., age 54 and
 in the 1860 census index for Starke Co. is Anna Kinsey on p. 386. This is
 likely John Kinsey's widow and won't know for certain until I look at the
 microfilm. There is also an Ann Kinsey in Madison Co., IN p. 69. The week is
 starting off right, in the genealogy dept. 
 Cheers,     JKM
 
 
 From: "John K. MacPhee" 
 Subject: Re: mysteries 
   Granville,  
   Tragic deaths can linger in the family memory for generations and there  must
   be a lot of Abraham's descendants around who might have some clues.
   According to my records he fathered seven children by his first wife and two
   by his second and I don't know much about any of them. What happened to
   Abraham Jr.? He was in Kosciusko Co., IN in 1850.  
   John
  

   From: "Granville J Coomes" 
   Subject: Re: mysteries  
     Dear Andrea,    
     I have a nagging anxiety about my g-g-g-grandfather Abraham
     Kinsey. Early in my research I was told that Abraham died
     of a gunshot wound. He was temporarily living in Pendleton, Madison  Co.,
     Indiana. The lady who passed this on to me was Helen Roth(her maiden   name). 
     Being somewhat  naive in the researching game I accepted this. Now I hve
     the idea that this could be wrong. I have seached court
     records etc. whithout any results either way. He was
     buried idn Wayne Co., Indiana(Brick Church Cemetery,
     Hagerstown, IN). He was born in Brotetort Co. Virginia
     in about 1887. Was in Montgomery Co., Ohio in 1819 and
     came to Wayne Co., Indiana as early as 1823. He got a patent deed on a
     tract of land which he deeded over to his daughter and son-in-law, Jacob
     & Susannah Heiney, my gr.,gr
     grandparents. I have about 35 deeds of land Abraham had
     at one time or another. He also had a tract of lond in delaware Co.,
     Indiana which he sold to a Moses Lutz who I have reason to believe was a
     brother to Baltzer Lute whose
     daughter, Catharine married Lewis Heiney, son to Jacob, Heiney. Lewis
     and wife Catherine were the parents of Susannah Heiney my grandmother.
     Any information you run across concerning these families
     would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and good luck on you research.    
     Granville Coomes

Andrea,
Sorry I didn't mention his date of death.  He  died Sept.
11, 1872.  There were newspapers in Anderson, Pendleton
and New Castle at the time but have never turned up anything. I never
thought of the State Library, thank you
and the thought of checking funeral homes.  There are
probabaly some old county directories in some of the libraries. Our local
library has one of Wayne Co. dated
1859.  I am sure Anderson has one for Madison Co. and 
possibly the New Castle Library has one for Henry Co.
Funeral homes advertise in the county directories. Thank
you for the suggestions.
Granville
 
Granville,
When did Abraham die?  This may be hard to know, if he deeded all his land
over to descendants before his death.  I expect it was before 1882, when IN
death records were first kept.  In the unlikely event it was 1850 or 1860,
he would be included in the federal mortality schedule.  These records are
on microfilm at the Indiana State Library.

If you can find out from which funeral home he was buried, you might find
their records.  They did often record cause of death.  There were also some
newspapers, very few in the area before 1850.  

It's kind of difficult to know where Abraham might have left legal records,
since he appears to have had land in several counties.  Have you looked for
probates in his counties where he (once) owned land as well as the county
where he died?  

Is Anderson in Madison Co?  There was a newspaper in Anderson in the
1840's.  Perhaps they would report a sensational death, if such did occur.
Sharon MIlls


Dear Andrea,
I have a nagging anxiety about my g-g-g-grandfather Abraham
Kinsey.  Early in my research I was told that Abraham died
of a gunshot wound.  He was temporarily living in Pendleton, Madison Co.,
Indiana.  The lady who passed this on to me was Helen Roth(her maiden
name).  Being somewhat
naive  in the researching game I accepted this.  Now I hve
the idea that this could be wrong.  I have seached court
records etc. whithout any results either way.  He was
buried idn Wayne Co., Indiana(Brick Church Cemetery, 
Hagerstown, IN).  He was   born in Brotetort Co. Virginia
in about 1887.  Was in Montgomery Co., Ohio in 1819 and                
came to Wayne Co., Indiana as early as 1823. He got a patent deed on a
tract of land which he deeded over to his daughter and son-in-law, Jacob
& Susannah Heiney, my gr.,gr 
grandparents.  I have about 35 deeds of land Abraham had
at one time or another.  He also had a tract of lond in delaware Co.,
Indiana which he sold to a Moses Lutz who I have reason to believe was a
brother to Baltzer Lute  whose
daughter, Catharine married Lewis Heiney, son to Jacob, Heiney.  Lewis
and wife Catherine were the parents of Susannah Heiney my grandmother. 
Any information you run across concerning these families
would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and good luck on you research.
Granville Coomes           
  ( From: John K. MacPhe)
Bios. for David W. Kinsey and Samuel A. Kinsey
History of Henry County, Indiana, together with sketches of its cities,
villages and towns ... portraits of prominent persons, and biographies of
representative citizens. Also a condensed history of Indiana. , Chicago:
Inter-state publishing Co., 1884. , Sutro Library, 480 Winston Dr, San
Francisco, CA, F532.H6 H5.

"DAVID W. KINSEY, Cashier of the Citizens' State Bank of New Castle, Ind.
This gentleman represents one of the oldest as well as influential families
of this section of Indiana. He is the youngest son of Lewis and Catharine
Kinsey. His father and grandfather moved to Wayne County, Ind., when the
former was a lad of twelve years of age, continuing to live in said county
until he was twenty years of age, when he married Catharine Shultz, who was
a native of Pennsylvania, and immediately thereafter settled in Henry County
on a small farm situated one-half mile north of where the town of Millville
now stands, where on the 1st day of February, 1846, David, the subject of
this sketch, was born.

The family lived here until the spring of 1847, at which time they moved and
located on a farm about six miles east of New Castle, in Liberty Township,
where the father and mother and such children as remained at home continued
to live and carried on farming operations until the year 1872 when they
again moved, locating on a farm three miles northwest of Hagerstown, in
Wayne County, where they now reside. They are members of the German Baptist
church and for many years the father has been a minister in the church.

His family consisted of five children- Martin, Anna, Sarah J., Catharine
(who died when about six years of age), and David, our subject who spent his
youth upon his father's farm, attending the common schools during the winter
season until the year 1864.

He enlisted as a private in Company G, One Hundred and Thirty-ninth Indiana
infantry, serving in this capacity for about six months and until the
discharge of his regiment. After his return home he attended the New Castle
schools, teaching school during the winter months, and was a law student
part of two years; was admitted to the practice of the law in 1869, but soon
after entered the office of the county clerk and clerk of the Circuit Court
as principal deputy, acting in this capacity until the death of the Clerk,
H. H. Hiatt. Mr. Kinsey was then appointed by the Board of County
Commissioners, Clerk, to succeed Mr. Hiatt, continuing to act in such
capacity until the next general election. He remained also with his
successor in office one year. July 1, 1873, at the organization of the
Citizens' State Bank, Mr. Kinsey was chosen Assistant Cashier, filling this
position one year, at the end of which time he was made its Cashier, which
position he still holds. He is also a Director in this bank, having served
in this capacity for several years. Mr. Kinsey has served as a member of
the Board of School Trustees of his town since 1880 having been elected to
such position in 1879.

In 1870 he was married to Sophia J. Shirk, a most excellent lady, and the
daughter of Benjamin Shirk, ex-State Senator. They have one daughter, Edna,
now ten years of age. He with his wife are members of the Evangelical
Lutheran church."



John Wilson Tyndall, Standard history of Adams and Wells counties, Indiana,
an authentic narrative of the past, with an extended survey of modern
developments in the progress of town and country, Chicago and New York: the
Lewis publishing company, 1918; A reproduction by Unigraphic, Inc. 1975,
F532.A2 T9 1975 .

"SAMUEL A. KINSEY. Enterprising and energetic, Samuel A. Kinsey is actively
identified with the mercantile affairs of Wells County, being proprietor of
a general store and restaurant in the Village of Curryville, where his name
is well established, it being synonymous with honesty, thrift and
prosperity. A native of this state, he was born, October 3, 1874, in Noble
County, a son of Henry and Hattie* (Amazon**) Kinsey, and a grandson of
Christian and Mary Kinsey, pioneer settlers of Northeastern Indiana.

Henry Kinsey was long engaged in agricultural pursuits, having owned and
occupied a farm of forty acres in Whitley County, Indiana, where his death
occurred April 24, 1883. His widow survived him many years, dying in 1903.
They reared a family of seven children, as follows: William C.; Mary; Samuel
A.; Elizabeth; Walter, deceased; Ida; and Jessie.

Having obtained a practical education in the public schools, Samuel A.
Kinsey served an apprenticeship at the carpenter's trade, which he followed
successfully for several years, his mechanical ability being recognized.
Locating in Curryville in 1913, Mr. Kinsey embarked in mercantile pursuits,
and as proprietor of a well managed general store and a popular restaurant,
has built up a patronage in both lines of business.

On October 2, 1888, Mr. Kinsey married Hattie J. Plank, a daughter of Enos
and Sarah E. Plank. who reared three other children: Oscar, Frank and
Charles. Mr. and Mrs. Kinsey have four children, namely: Mildred Cleo, a
high school graduate, married Earl Guy, and has one child, Evelyn, born in
1915; Carl Henry born in 1901; Roy Enos, born in 1908; and Frances Lucile,
born in 1915. Mr. Kinsey is a stanch prohibitionist, and an active worker
in the temperance cause. Both he and his wife are valued members of the
Christian Church, and liberal contributors towards its support."

* a nickname for Harriet?
** likely Amsden

Miscellaneous
Edward H. Kinsey (CS 1.1.1.1.8.5.) is said to have been named for the doctor
who delivered him in 1858 near Milford, Kosciusko Co., IN. In the 1870
census for Milford is

HIGBEE, Edward, 45, M, W, Physician, 10000, 1000, New, York

EOM

 HI DON,
      I HAVE THE FOLLOWING BIRTH AND DEATH DATES FOR
CHRISTIAN AND SARAH:
      CHRISTIAN   B: SEP 1693   D: 16 NOV 1774
      SARAH       B: OCT 1703   D:    NOV 1789
EXCEPT,FOR THE DEATH DATE OF CHRISTIAN[WHICH,WAS TAKEN FROM
THE WILL WE ALL HAVE] THE OTHER DATES CAME FROM JIM HOKE
WHO HAD INHERITED A GERMAN KINZIE BIBLE. JIM CAN READ
GERMAN AND INTERPETED,FROM THIS BIBLE,THESE DATES. DO YOU
HAVE THE SAME DATES? HAVE YOU EVER CONTACTED JIM
HOKE-EMAIL,james.hoke@prodigy.net ON THE ABOVE DATES?     

Bob Kinsey


  I have confirmed another grave in the Fairmount/ Catlin area.
Alice KINSEY- Old Davis Cemetery, Catlin, Vermilion County Illinois
Also listed in the Index  -  Known Burials in Vermilion County, Kinsey,
Alice / Old Davis / Catlin
Located in Archives, Danville Public Library, Danville Illinois.
Tab Hall
Sorry for the late response. I only have info for Eva Wolf (married Samuel Harlacher) down, but am suspicious about Eva/Eve being Hannah Kinsey & Jacob Wolf's daughter because that would make Hannah Kinsey Wolf 52 when Eva was born (in 1816, per Derald), and Eva's only the fourth child (per Paul)! Derald may be able to shed more light on this, because I think he has solid information from Eva's father's will. Is she the daughter of Jacob and Hannah, Derald?

I can fill in from Eva and Samuel's children down, if you'd like.

Jenny Beery
jenny@gbn.com

At 4:09 PM -0400 5/20/01, Paul Kinsey wrote:
I have Hannah Kinsey daughter of Henry and Eve married to Jacob Wolf who had 7 children. Eva was the forth child. She married Samuel Harlacher. Jerry may help.
Paul
Hello Paul,   31 May 2001

The Johann Peter Heckamn and wife Eliza Margaretha is of interest to a
number of us, including at least Mitzi, Derald, and I, who have the Heckman
background.

I'm still hoping for proof that Barbara Meyers last name is really Meyers
and in finding out who her parents were.

I've got more on John Jacob and Barbara's family.  I'm guessing that John
is an anglicized form of Johann, more of a saluation than anything.  Much
of the data in the following chart has been compiled with advice from Don
Bowman and others.

Sharon


Descendants of John Jacob Heckman

1  John Jacob Heckman 1741 - 1789 d: May 11, 1789 in Brush Creek,
Franklin Co, VA b: Bef. 1741 in Germany
. +Barbara Meyers 1745 - 1818 d: Abt. 1818 m: Bef. 1770 in PA b: Abt. 1745
...... 2  Barbara Elizabeth Heckman - 1812 d: Abt. September 1812 in
Montgomery Co, OH b: in VA
.......... +John Kinsey 1762 - 1844 d: 1844 m: September 03, 1804 in
Franklin Co, VA b: July 05, 1762 in Lynchburg, Botetourt Co VA
...... 2  Susan Heckman b: in VA
.......... +Paul Frantz m: November 20, 1798 in Franklin Co, VA
...... 2  Jacob Heckman 1771 - 1854 d: August 15, 1854 in Preble Co, OH
b: August 16, 1771 in PA
.......... +Mary Overhultz 1768 - 1839 d: Abt. 1839 in Preble Co, OH m:
May 13, 1793 in Franklin Co, VA b: Abt. 1768
...... 2  Peter Heckman 1773 - 1823 d: Bef. November 07, 1823 in
Montgomery Co, OH b: Abt. 1773 in PA
.......... +Mary Kinsey 1768 - 1835 d: Abt. 1835 in Montgomery Co, OH m:
September 05, 1803 in Franklin Co, VA b: November 15, 1768 in Botetourt Co, VA
...... 2  Christiana (Tena) Heckman 1774 - 1823 d: Bef. November 07, 1823
in Montgomery Co, OH b: Abt. 1774 in PA
.......... +Adam Beckner m: August 18, 1790 in Franklin Co, VA
...... 2  Joseph Heckman 1775 - 1828 d: Abt. 1828 in Preble Co, OH b:
Abt. 1775 in Berks Co, PA
.......... +Catherine
...... 2  Hannah Heckman 1777 - d: in Whitley Co, IN b: July 09, 1777 in
Berks Co, PA
.......... +Christian Kinsey m: March 26, 1808 in Franklin or Botetourt
Co VA
...... 2  David Heckman 1779 - 1859 d: February 22, 1859 in Clark Co, OH
b: January 22, 1779 in Berks Co, PA
.......... +Mary Ann Snuffer m: February 11, 1804 in Franklin Co, VA
...... 2  Sallie Heckman 1785 - 1839 d: November 30, 1839 in Union Co IN
b: March 19, 1785 in Franklin Co, VA
.......... +Samuel Kingery 1782 - 1854 d: January 30, 1854 in Union Co IN
m: in Franklin Co, VA b: September 26, 1782 in Franklin Co VA
...... 2  Mary Heckman 1787 - 1851 d: August 14, 1851 in Brown Twp, Miami
Co, OH b: July 05, 1787 in Franklin Co, VA
.......... +Adam Simmons m: February 11, 1808 in Montgomery Co, OH
May 23, 2001
Great to see that we are trying to all get on the same page. All of us have
information but not all the same and maybe not right. Good place to start
with Henrys family.
Granville, I have it somewhat different, not saying mine is right.

John W. d. Feb. 1846 (C. Smith) m. Barbara Elizabeth Heckman Sept. 3, 1804
Hannah d. abt.1833 m. Jacob Wolf March 2, 1801 who remarried Elizabeth
Cripe(8/22/1834) after Hannah died
Mary Elizabeth m. Peter Heckman Sept. 5, 1803
Abraham b. April 11, 1787 (on headstone)
Infant b.  Sept. 11, 1772

I tried to show the changes in red but couldn't figure how to do it.
I just figured out I had 16 pages of notes etc. just on Henry and Eve's
family, (one generation) called "Genealogy Report" in FTM format. Probably a
lot of duplication since I havent edited it for a while. If anyone is
willing to go though all that and correct, add or just question I would be
happy  to get those comments. Will attach, so those who don't want to bother
can just delete. If you can't open and want to see let me know and I'll send
as another e-mail.
Paul

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: kids of henry and eve wampler


> The Family of Henry 7 Eva Wampler Kinsey as I have it --
> John b 7/5/1762,  d. 5/2/1846,  m Eliz.Hackman abt 1812
> Hannah b 8/11/1764 d. abt 1856, m Jacob Wolfe
> Mary b. 11/15/1768, d. a bt 1839, m Peter Hackman(?)
> Elizabeth b 11/26/1775, d 6/17/1848, m Daniel Graybill
> Abraham b 4/1/87, d 9/11/1872 Of gun shot wound(?), in
>   Madison, Co., IN, m 1st Magdelena Waggoner, 2nd
>   Susannah Brumbaugh,9/14/1828(He and 1st wife are my
>   gr.gr.gr.gr.grandparents) -  Abraham & Susannah are
>   buried in the Brick Church Cemetery, Hagerstown, IN
>   I have verafication of their death dates and marriage,
>   other information is what has been given to; me over     His
> tombstone gives his birth date but that is isn't
> verification.
> Sarah Salome, b, unk, d,abt 1791, m. John Kehler
>
> Granville Coomes
>
Catherine Smith's book lists:
Christian Kuntzy son of Henry A. Kuntzi & Eva Wampler had a son Abraham Kuntzi who married Mary Magdelena
Wagner. 
the 2 Abraham Kinsey's I have in my files are:

Abraham who married Charlotte T. Showalter [son of Abraham Kinzie]

Abraham who married Catherine Ellswood [son of Christian Kuntzy] I believe he is a cousin of Henry Kinser.
http://wew.bmb.uga.edu/wf-page/database/he0.html#[he1-10 <http://wew.bmb.uga.edu/wf-page/database/he0.html>]
Sam Butler

My great-great grandfather, Abraham Kinsey, was another son of Henry & Eva (Wampler) Kinsey. But since I am writing this from my office, someone will probably fill you in on more of that family before I can.

If not, I'll look that up for you tonight.

Jerry Stephens
from: Tabitha Hall, April 19, 2001  prpse@shout.net

Hi , I have been doing some digging . I have lists of Kinsey Marriages which I obtained 
from Allerton Public Library Genealogical Dept . They were listed in a book of Church Records 
for Pennsylvania & NJ . 

The following are as listed in records --- 
8,3,1735 Kinsey, Ann m. Thomas Smith L. 
4,6,1743 Kinsey, Anne m. Henry Treadway 
1,29,1722 Kinsey,Hannah m. Robert Ulrie. NJ. L 
7,28,1735 Kinsey, James m. Mary Owen 
Neshaminy Presbyterian Church 
1803 July. Kinsey, Hannah m. John White 
Middletown Monthly Meeting Marriages Authorised of Friends 
12,22,1763 Kinsey,David m. Mary Hibbs 1685-1810 
Falls Monthly Meeting of Friends 
1700-1800 
12,1766 (Middle number(Day) was either 10,12 or 18) Kinsey,Benjamin m. Martha White 
Buckingham Monthly Meeting of Friends 
1730-1810 
10,14,1795 Kinsey, Benjamin m. Margaret Hambelton 
3,23,1749 Kinsey,Benjamin m. Susanna Brown 
11,30,1734-5 Kinsey,David m. Tamer (Fell or Tell) 
10,18,1808 Kinsey,Deborah m. Mahlon Smith 
1,10,1770 Kinsey,Elizabeth m. Alexander Brown Jr. 
4,5,1797 Kinsey,Elizabeth m. Issac Moore 
10,1,1742 Kinsey,Elizabeth m. Thomas Smith 
12,22,1773 Kinsey,George m. Mary Gillingham 
6,24,1778 Kinsey,Hannah m. Issac Quinby 
11,26,1776 Kinsey,Issac m. Mary Bradshaw 
10,15,1788 Kinsey,James m. Mary Hunt 
11,16,1791 Kinsey,Jane m. Thomas Ellicott 
5,21,1777 Kinsey, John m. Margaret Kitchen 
3,23,1774 Kinsey, John m. Mary Rice 
6,9,1763 Kinsey, Johnathon m. Martha Gillingham 
3,17,1749 Kinsey,Joseph m. Hannah Gaty 
11,10,1784 Kinsey,Mary m. Johnathon Bye 
11,17,1802 Kinsey,Rachel m. Johnathon Swain 
12,1,1762 Kinsey,Samuel m. Sarah Ingham 
2,17,1745 Kinsey,Sarah Jr m. Timothy Smith 
4,12,1786 Kinsey,Susannah m. Joseph Smith 
11,28,1758 Kinsey,Thomas m. Margaret Smith 
Pennsylvania German Marriages 
Falkner Swamp Lutheran Church 1745- 
Kinsey 
Abigail m. Abraham Renninger of Earl Township July 28 1860 
Tohickon Reformed Church -Abraham Kinsey m. Sarah Hoch 9,Oct 1836 
Germantown Reformed Church-Charles Kinsey Jr. m. Mary Haas 15,Apr 1816 
Tohickon Reformed Church - David Kinsey m.Catherine Hartman 3,Oct 1841 
Tohickon Reformed Church - Elizabeth Kinsey m.John Kraut 17,Mar 1839 
North & South Hampton Dutch Reformed Church-George Kinsey m. Phoebe (wid)Smith 2,May 1765 
Tohickon Reformed Church- Hannah Kinsey m. Noah Drumbore 15,Oct,1843 
Tohickon Reformed Church- John Kinsey m. Catherine Salladay 21 Oct 1838 
Tohickon Reformed Church-Joseph Kinsey m. Magdalene Drumbore 11, Jan 1845 
North & South Hampton Dutch Ref Church- Mary Kinsey m. James VanSant 25,Feb 1808 
First Trinity Reformed Church- Nancy Kinsey m. Michael Grabhill 31,Oct 1824 
New Jersey Colonial Marriages 
Elizabeth Kinsey of Woodbridge m Jacob Shotwell also of Woodbridge 1758- Feb 22 
Please note that often when they were transcribing records to books they made mistakes so some 
of the spellings may have been altered or other information changed . I was very careful to get 
the information as was printed . 
I hope the information I have supplied can help or is relevant to your line of Kinseys . I am 
still on the job :-) Sorry it took so long to write you all . 
TTYS 
Tab Hall 
4-1-01
Fellow Kinsey researchers:

Please be advised that I have just posted an update to my web page. Point your browser to: http://members.home.net/johntippet/

Included with this update are the following (all in the Beckelhymer section of my web site):

(1) I added transcriptions of the land tax lists of Franklin County, VA (1786 - 1805A) for Beckelhymer/Picklesimer and allied families.  These include: Archer, Beckett, Dillman, Fishburn, Harger, Kinsey, Landis, Lazena, Lemon, Logan, Phares, Prator, Rinker, Trout, Waggoner, Wimmer, and Young.  I found it interesting that there were no Rinkers listed even though they were known to have lived in Franklin County for about 10 years per the personal property tax lists.  Apparently, they didn't own land.
(2) I added transcriptions of the land tax lists of Botetourt County, VA (1782 - 1809) for Beckelhymer/Picklesimer and allied families.  These include: Beckett, France, John Henry, Kinsey, Lemmon, William Logan, Trout, Waggoner, and Wedell.
 
John Charles Tippet
johntippet@home.com
3-18-2001I have found a site that I use quite a lot. It is called "The Ultimate White
Pages" and can be found at:  http://www.theultimates.com/white/

It gives you a way to check for the same person on six different telephone
look-up sites but you only input the name once.

What I have discovered is that some databases contain more information than
other databases (i.e. wife's name).  Of course sometimes you find that some
databases are incorrect while others are correct.

This site has both a free service and a subscription service.  I only use the
free service... I guess I am just cheap.  The free service seems to do
everything that I want so why pay.

HAPPY HUNTING   Jim Hammer  E-Mail: hammer@ncn.net
3-18-2001
Paul,
 
John Kinsey death is listed as 1788.  It is most probably 1786 or 1787 based on info John MacPhee has provided.  John is shown in 1786 tax records.  His widow is shown in 1787.
 
1786
KINSEY, John , 1 white tithe, 4 horses, 6 cattle; frame 41 [NEELLEY and GRAHAM'S Company]
 
1787
4 June; KINSEY, Widow , 2 horses, 6 cattle; frame 62
 

3-17-2001Pat, I'm not sure if the group has made that connection final. Let me  ask
and see what they come up with. I will attach my notes that I picked up from
different researchers for a start.
Paul
13. Johannes3 Kuntzi (Johannes2, Christian1) was born in Oley, Berks Co, Pa
05 Feb 1742. Johannes died 1788 in Botetourt Co, VA, at 46 years of age. His
body was interred 1788 in Daleville, Botetourt Co, Va.

He married Chloe ?? Berks Co, PA, 1776. Chloe was born Berks Co, PA abt
1764. She married Robert Young in Franklin Co, VA, 07 Mar 1789. Chloe died
in Daleville, Botetourt Co, Va. Her body was interred in Daleville,
Botetourt Co, Va.

Johannes registered to pay taxes in Botetourt Co, VA, 1781. He bought
property in Botetourt Co, VA, 01 Nov 1783. John Kinsey purchased 250 acres
on the north side of South Mountain from Patrick Bryson for 158 pounds. The
only record of Johannes or John KINSEY which has been found is the early
marriage record of his daughter Mary to John HOLDEMAN in 1797. Botetourt
County, Virginia Records of Marriage Bonds has John HOLDEMAN married to Mary
KINSEY December 17, 1796. It mentions parents of the bride; Clowery Young,
mother; Robert YOUNG, stepfather. John KINSEY, deceased father; security,
John KINSEY and Abraham HOLDERMAN. This name has been variously spelled
HOLDMAN, HOLDERMAN, HALDERMAN, and HALTERMAN. From the 1881 Preble County
History, it is known that John HOLDERMAN was born in Botetourt County,
Virginia approximately 1771. From the 1850 Preble County Ohio Census, it is
known that his wife Mary Kinsey was born in Virginia approximately 1785.
They arrived in Preble County in 1806 with the Samuel TEAL family and were
some of the first Brethren in Preble County

TAXES
John Charles Tippet listed on his web site the tax listing for Botetourt
County 1783-1809. He has many Kinsey's listed. John's is extracted below.
DATE LAST NAMEFIRST COMPANY MALES HORSES CATTLE
     16-21
1784 Kinsey John Capt. Neely Not Used 3 7
1785 Kinsey John Capt. James Neeley Not Used 2 4
1786 Kinsey John Capt. Neeley & Graham 4 6
17

----- Original Message -----
From: <RuralPlain@aol.com>
To: <akapaul@hargray.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:50 PM
Subject: John Kinsey


> Do you know of any documentary evidence that the John Kinsey
> b 1819 who m Elizabeth Mullendore was the son of the John
> Kinsey b 1741/2 who married Chloe?
>
> Thanks for any info or suggestions.
>
> Patrick T. Dolan
> ruralplain@aol.com
12 Mar 2001:Dear Mr. Dolan,

John Kinsey is included in a 1782 list of men who registered for recruitment
in the Rev. War, Capt. Neely's Company. Robert Douthat Stoner, A Seed-bed of
the Republic - Early Botetourt, a Study of the Pioneers in the Upper
(Southern) Valley of Virginia  (Kingsport, Tenn.: Kingsport Press, Inc.,
1962).

John Kinsey purchased 250 acres on South Mountain from Patrick Bryson in
1783; deed book 3, page 235.

He is in the titheable lists for Botetourt Co., VA from 1781 to 1786. Some
interesting details: in the 1782 list he has 250 acres and the 1784 list is
for Capt. Neeley's Company of Militia. In the 1785 list, also for Capt.
Neely's Company, John Kinsey and John Kinsey Jr. are listed together as
white tithes above age 21. Botetourt Co., VA, lists of tithables, 1770-1789,
FHL reel 1906467. If John Kinsey Jr. was 21 in 1785 then he was born around
1764 and not 1782.

John (Sr.) is in the personal property tax lists, 1783-1786. In 1785, John
Jr. is also listed. John Sr. apparently died in 1787 as his widow is in the
lists for 1787 and 1788:
1787, 4 June; Kinsey, Widow, 2 horses, 6 cattle
1788, 15 June; Kinsey, Cloye, 1 white over 16 and under 21, 3 horses
VA, Botetourt Co., personal property tax lists, 1783-1810, FHL reel 2024486.

He is not listed in the Botetourt Co., VA will index and I don't have a deed
which would show when and to whom his 250 acres were conveyed.

In 1805 John Kinsey (Jr.) and Jacob Kinsey purchased part of a 250 acre
tract on the North side of South Mountain from John Holdeman and Mary his
wife, late Mary Kinsey, & Susana Kinsey, deed book 8, page 561. In 1809,
John and Elizabeth Kinsey sold their share of the 250 acre tract to David
Kinsey, deed book 9, page 631. John Kinsey made a marriage bond with
Elizabeth Mullendore in 1804 in Franklin Co. He would have been around 40
years old in 1804 if he was born ca. 1764.

Please check this information before you use it!

John Tippet is working on Botetourt Co. land tax records for the Kinseys and
will post them at his site.

From which of John and Elizabeth's children is your wife descended?

John K. MacPhee


----- Original Message -----
From: <RuralPlain@aol.com>
To: <jkmii@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:13 PM
Subject: John Kinsey


> Dear Mr. MacPhee,
> I have enjoyed seeing your list of Kinsey deeds in the Botetourt Genweb
page.
> Thank you for posting them.  Since you are obviously a serious Kinsey
> researcher,
> I am wondering if you could help me to locate documentary evidence of the
> fact, seemingly agreed to by all researchers, that John Kinsey 1742-1788,
> husband of Chloe, was the father of John Kinsey 1782-1819.  My wife is a
> descendant of this line, and I want to file a DAR supplemental for her on
> the military service of this John 1742-1788.  Is there a will for the
older
> John, or do you have a deed indicating their relationship? Thanks in
advance
> for any help or advice.
>
> Patrick T. Dolan
> ruralplain@aol.com
>----------------------------------The following is a point well taken........Genealogy is by no means an exact science and even under the best of
circumstances mistakes can creep into one's work. However, there are certian
rules one should follow in their collection of information and at the same
time be careful not to propagate suspect evidence. One very good example is
the LDS. In the past 20 years the submitted information to this prestigious
organization has become hugely speculative and grossly inaccurate. The sad
part of this equation, they post the information in an open forum and some
unsuspecting genealogist comes along and adopts it as fact, publishes it and
further adds to the problem.

My disllusionment with our Kinsey/Kinzie researchers came as a result of
just such practices, the result being, rather then rowing the boat up stream
I pulled it to the bank and left the race.

As to what you should do, or where to go,  my best suggestion is to put your
faith in a researcher named John MacPhee. In my opinion he's an excellent
genealogist with an eye for whats correct and a drive to find the truth.Name left off.....
-----Several years ago I entered a birth date of February 5,1742 that I had found in some family documentation I had. Paul Kinsey and John MacPhee have commented on this date and I have since been trying to confirm it. I have not been able to confirm this date; nor, the vital dates on the above Johannes, from the Catherine B Smith's book.
The dates from the Catherine Smith book more closely line up with the statements in the Christian Küntzÿ 1773 will; therefore, I have since entered the dates for Johannes,1.1.2 vital dates-of born 1755,died 1788.
I don't know what dates you have; but, would appreciate any feedback on your dates.  Bob Kinsey-----There has been a certain amount of uncertainty on the above subject. It involves my
inserting a birth date of February 5,1742 for Johannes Küntzÿ[1.1.2]that I had found in some of
my family documentation. I have never been able to confirm this birthdate and it most certainly
does not fit into the Christian Küntzÿ 1773 will.  With this birthdate Johannes would have been 31?
I, long ago, removed this birthdate and inserted the dates from the Catherine B Smith's
book. I have never been able to confirm these dates, either? But,most of us use Catherine's
wonderful book as our base for the first four generations of Christian Küntzÿ.
I thought I would send this global message,  to suggest to anyone interested, that this date
is unconfirmed and should possibly be removed.
If anyone out there has confirmed birth and death dates of Johannes Küntzÿ I sure would
appreciate hearing from them. Until next time, take care  Bob Kinsey
-----I'm sure the information you have is for "my" Henry Kinsey (or Henrich Kintzi, as he signed at least one document in Maryland). I'd be pleased to have you list my site in connection with yours, since I'd love to contact other descendants. And it seems as though his branch of the family had little contact with the rest after Henry moved to Maryland, ca. 1795. My own grandfather James Kinsey was the grandson of Christian Kinsey, son of Henry. Christian lived all his life in
Frederick Co., Maryland, where his son George M. Kinsey (my grandfather's father) was born. George married Margaret Jane Shuff, a Moravian, in Creagerstown, MD, in 1837 and left Maryland for Ohio in 1849, moving to Dunkirk, Ohio (north of Kenton) where a railroad was being built, in 1852. He built the first house in that town. He and his older boys cut wood and timbers for the railroad, also farmed. My grandfather James M. Kinsey was born in Dunkirk in 1854, supposedly the
second white child born in Hardin County. Later George operated a grocery in Dunkirk. His two older sons, Jesse and George, served in the 66th Illinois regiment in the Civil War, marching through Georgia with General Sherman's army. My grandfather, the sixth of seven children who grew to adulthood, started work in a drug store at age 12 (after completing the sixth reader), later worked in a hardware store as a clerk and bookkeeper. After losing his first wife and two young babies
(heart problems), he relocated to the county seat, Kenton, Ohio, where he met the young woman, Minnie Reed, who ultimately became my grandmother. They relocated to Idaho (Fruitland and Boise) in 1911, where I was born in 1929 after my mother Esther married Otto W. Hendricks of Mountain Home, Idaho.  Bob Hendricks --- I was reading up on buffalo chips and cow chips, recalling that Edward H.
Kinsey was employed as a chip picker on his way to Montana. It was quite an
industry and the ranchers would invite the cattle drivers to park on their
property overnight for a free year's supply of "prairie coal". That's from
Back Trailing in the Heart of the Short Grass Country by John O. Bye.

There's a picture of Jack Kinsey in that book with a group of Ekalaka
citizens including Doc Hedges and I wonder if he is the same man Daniel W.
Kinsey mentions in his letter from Payette and from whom Edward purchased
land.

I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here, maybe I'll find a small patch of
ground that hasn't been trampled.

John


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Maps:    From: "John K. MacPhee" <jkmii@jps.net>

An updated (2001) map of Henry Kinsey's land in Warwick Twp. I
presume this was CS 1.1.1. The proof is only coincidental: Warwick Twp. tax
records for Henry Kinsey end in 1781 and begin in Bedford Co., VA in 1782.

Henry Kinsey's Land Map  fm John K. MacPhee


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        Sharon Mills; mills@reliable-net.net
        Shirley Pyle; mrsp1934@aol.com
        Tabitha Hall; prpse@shout.net
        Terry Turner; tntjay1963@aol.com
        Virginia Braun; VABraun@Mediaone.net


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